A 73 yr old man was shot at his home by police following an incident at a grocery store when the man refused to don a mask.
Apparently, the incident at the store escalated to the point of some physical altercations when the 73 yr old refused put on a mask. The man left the scene and went home. But the police confronted him at his home. The end result was that the man was shot and later died in hospital.
A 73 yr old man was shot at his home by police following an incident at
a grocery store when the man refused to don a mask.
Apparently, the incident at the store escalated to the point of some physical altercations when the 73 yr old refused put on a mask. The man left the scene and went home. But the police confronted him at his
home. The end result was that the man was shot and later died in
hospital.
Not that I want to side with the police, but it's worth mentioning this bit from the article:
A 73 yr old man was shot at his home by police following an incident at a grocery store when the man refused to don a mask.
Apparently, the incident at the store escalated to the point of some physical altercations when the 73 yr old refused put on a mask. The man left the scene and went home. But the police confronted him at his home. The end result was that the man was shot and later died in hospital.
A 73 yr old man was shot at his home by police following an incident at
a grocery store when the man refused to don a mask.
Apparently, the incident at the store escalated to the point of some physical altercations when the 73 yr old refused put on a mask. The man left the scene and went home. But the police confronted him at his
home. The end result was that the man was shot and later died in
hospital.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/fatal-haliburton-shooting-siu- 1.5650761
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/fatal-haliburton-shooting-siu- 1.5650761
Some may ask what I am responding to this .... I live in Florida ... why should I care what goes on in another country?
Is this what has evolved? Is this right? .... What the hell is going on?
has 2020 changes people to be stuck on Stupid! Did the new decade drop a brick on folks head and somehow folks are brain damaged?
Quoting Ogg to All <=-
Apparently, the incident at the store escalated to the point of some physical altercations when the 73 yr old refused put on a mask. The
man left the scene and went home. But the police confronted him at his home. The end result was that the man was shot and later died in
hospital.
Quoting echicken to Ogg <=-
Dude was shot because the police came to see him after he assaulted
people and drove dangerously, and something shitty and deeply
unfortunate happened during that encounter. The police may very well
have been wrong to shoot - and I hope SIU does a thorough
investigation - but it's not like they're going around capping people
for ignoring the policies of the local health unit.
BTW, you also mentioned watching documentaries ... have you seen intotheshadows? It's a good one. Good conspiracy theory on mind manipulation, likely more appropriate for SpookNet.
Hows the shop doing this week?
Not that I want to side with the police, but it's worth mentioning this
bit from the article:
"investigators had recovered a pistol and a semi-automatic rifle from
the scene. The firearms of two police officers were also taken into evidence, the agency said."
It was also said in another article I read about this incident that the
guy tried to run somebody over in the parking lot and nearly crashed into the building.
And then this, a grocery store employee shifting some of the blame
away from the old man:
Mask rage is the new road rage; people are flipping their shit over a
small inconvenience. It's not the mask policy's fault; people are responsible for their own actions and overreactions.
Dude was shot because the police came to see him after he assaulted
people and drove dangerously, and something shitty and deeply
unfortunate happened during that encounter.
The police may very well have been wrong to shoot - and I hope SIU
does a thorough investigation - but it's not like they're going around capping people for ignoring the policies of the local health unit.
Do we have a Hostile .vs. Hostel situation, again? LOL
Never heard of it. Do you mean "Out Of Shadows, (2020)" - An expos‚ on how Hollywood and the mainstream media manipulate the multitudes by spreading propaganda throughout their content.
Hoaxed (2019) - Hoaxed (2019) HOAXED is an insider's look at the Fake
News phenomenon and
the consequences of media misinformation, with interviews from those who have been accused of spreading it themselves.
It is not humming at the same pace last year at this time. The lockdown from March-June had a major impact for the negative. It is a huge
setback. Too bad no one told the banks and credit card co to lockdown as well. As a result, the economic model is broken. Not fair to have to be forced to go into further debt for no fault of my own.
Headline: Shop owner shot dead by police.
Does gun ownership demonstrate that the old man is at fault? No
information if the both pistol and semi were used by the old man.
The old man shouldn't have had to been shot to die irregardless of the scuffle he was involved with earlier. Why can't the f'n police just shoot to maime or disable instead? Are today's police just gun-happy poor
That's one way to spin it. He may also just been in a hurry to just go away from all that stupidy - encountering near collisions with people and cars.
Yes.. he was probably a gentle soul, but under new circumstances he snapped.
I still have the odd visitor (all seniors, that already hobble on their own two feet or need a walker or a cane) to my shop that says they have forgotten the mask in their car or at home. Fine. I don't raise a stink over it. If they buy something, good. If not, maybe they will "remember" for next time.
No one should have to die at the confrontation of police, especially at their own home irregardless of what the alleged or confirmed charges might
be. I am not convinced that armed police have to be in fear of an old man.
This may just be the beginning. :/
It is not humming at the same pace last year at this time. The
lockdown from March-June had a major impact for the
negative. It is a huge setback. Too bad no one told the banks
and credit card co to lockdown as well. As a result, the
economic model is broken. Not fair to have to be forced to go
into further debt for no fault of my own.
I heard on the news that over 110,000 small businesses have had to
close so far. It's a shame. I remember when the lockdown was in
full force, somehow the larger corporations that sold ZERO
essential items (home decor stores come to mind) were somehow able
to stay open; yet the mom and pop home decor stores were not
allowed to.
Do you mean "Out Of Shadows, (2020)" - An expos‚ on how Hollywood
and the mainstream media manipulate the multitudes by spreading
propaganda throughout their content.
Yes this is the video. Its a pretty good documentary.
Hmm .. searching now. I need something to watch, my daughters flight
was delayed and she's just now getting her luggage. She flew here
from California; quite the 10 hour trip for her. Long wait for me :(
I heard on the news that over 110,000 small businesses have had to
close so far. It's a shame. I remember when the lockdown was in
full force, somehow the larger corporations that sold ZERO essential
items (home decor stores come to mind) were somehow able to stay
open; yet the mom and pop home decor stores were not allowed to.
Just wear a mask and you won't be shot :)
Quoting Spectre to Tiny <=-
I seem to remember a time not to long ago, where it was, don't wear a
mask or get shot. ;) And do not enter until you've removed your head gear.... How things change in a short time...
Check out Citizen Four - "Laura Poitras received encrypted emails from someone with information on the government's massive covert-surveillance programs, she and reporter Glenn Greenwald flew to Hong Kong to meet the sender, who turned out to be Edward Snowden." It's really cool to learn how Snowden eluded the boastful ("we'll get him") traps set by the CIA/ FBI. Tehnically, the FBI/CIA practically facilitated their own failed operations.
"If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come into the store, nothing would have happened, really. He would have got
his groceries and went along with his day."'
I've always been astonished (yet not surprised) how the entertainment industry (especially the actors that are hired to play the roles) either dismiss criticism for their depictions of stories inspired by cultural memes by saying "it's just a movie/film/fiction", yet on the other hand there are times when the actors/producers boast that their material is clearly designed as propoganda to "send a message
BTW.. actors get paid w-a-a-y too much for having fun.
I just finished Zero Days (2016). I was a little stumped when their star interviewee said "what Snowden did was clearly wrong", yet the person
felt perfectly justified about their role in the covert infiltration of
a foreign country's infrastructure.
Check out Citizen Four - "Laura Poitras received encrypted emails from someone with information on the government's massive covert-surveillance programs, she and reporter Glenn Greenwald flew to Hong Kong to meet the sender, who turned out to be Edward Snowden." It's really cool to learn how Snowden eluded the boastful ("we'll get him") traps set by the CIA/ FBI. Tehnically, the FBI/CIA practically facilitated their own failed operations.
I thought *you* were located in Calif. Carmel seems like a postcard perfect kind of area. Seaside cottages, manicured lawns, etc..
[snip]"If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come
into the store, nothing would have happened, really. He would have got
his groceries and went along with his day."'
A couple of my stores are in areas where masks are mandated. I've got the signs posted on the front door informing customers of it..
..If another customer wants to call the police or health department because someone doesn't wear one that's their business. I'm not going
to put any of my folks in the position where they are having to de- escalate a situation that's not even of their own making.
Heck, you can be a model on Instagram or play video games on youTube
these days and make millions.
They need a documentary on the the general populations obsession with stupid. I do like conspiracy documentaries though, particularly when
they prove to be true, or just to obvious not to be anything but.
In the case of hollywood, the propoganda is more blatant today then
ever before that I have to sift through a lot of junk on netflix to
fine a decent movie to watch these days.
I just finished Zero Days (2016). I was a little stumped when..
I haven't watched it yet. [...] But I would assume from what you
wrote that when one accepts a job, they do as told; and when signing confidentiality agreements, they adhere to them. Doesn't make what happened right, however from an employer prospective, it was never
meant to make public consumption.
Check out Citizen Four - "Laura Poitras received encrypted emails...
Added to my list of Ogg suggestions (I will watch them!)
I thought *you* were located in Calif. Carmel seems like a postcard
perfect kind of area. Seaside cottages, manicured lawns, etc..
No, Indiana, and only post card worthy if fancy homes within a cookie cutter suburb is new travelers destination zone.
A couple of my stores are in areas where masks are mandated. I've got the signs posted on the front door informing customers of it and coachedeveryone
that works for me that they are not the mask police and are not to say anything to customers about it. If another customer wants to call thepolice
or health department because someone doesn't wear one that's theirbusiness.
I'm not going to put any of my folks in the position where they are havingto
de-escalate a situation that's not even of their own making.
Ogg wrote to The Godfather <=-
Is it possible to make millions watching someone visit a BBS? LOL
They need a documentary on the the general populations obsession with stupid. I do like conspiracy documentaries though, particularly when
they prove to be true, or just to obvious not to be anything but.
In the case of hollywood, the propoganda is more blatant today then
ever before that I have to sift through a lot of junk on netflix to
fine a decent movie to watch these days.
I have delved into some of the films made in the 30' thru the 40's. The quality, dialog and pace of many of those have been quite good. As
many documentaries suggest, the films following the war in the mid to
late 40's start to feel like they have a CIA/political influence/propoganda.
I just finished Zero Days (2016). I was a little stumped when..
I haven't watched it yet. [...] But I would assume from what you
wrote that when one accepts a job, they do as told; and when signing confidentiality agreements, they adhere to them. Doesn't make what happened right, however from an employer prospective, it was never
meant to make public consumption.
Is there no value or place for a whistleblower in this society? Snowden recognized that the secret (illegal) surveilance that was going on citizens. Would you keep silent if you witnessed crimes?
Check out Citizen Four - "Laura Poitras received encrypted emails...
Added to my list of Ogg suggestions (I will watch them!)
Cool. And add "Terminal F: Chasing Edward Snowded". It covers how he coped at the Hong Kong airport - plus other stuff that was never
reported by media. I think this one is even more illuminating.
I thought *you* were located in Calif. Carmel seems like a postcard
perfect kind of area. Seaside cottages, manicured lawns, etc..
No, Indiana, and only post card worthy if fancy homes within a cookie cutter suburb is new travelers destination zone.
Ah, another Carmel. Google didn't tell me that when I asked! :(
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The old man shouldn't have had to been shot to die irregardless of thescuffle he was involved with earlier. Why can't th
f'n police just shoot
to maime or disable instead? Are today's police just gun-happy poor
target shooters?
Hmm .. searching now. I need something to watch, my daughters flight was delayed and she's just now getting her luggage. She flew here from California; quite the 10 hour trip for her. Long wait for me :(
I heard on the news that over 110,000 small businesses have had to close so far. It's a shame. I remember when the lockdown was in full force, somehow the larger corporations that sold ZERO essential items (home
decor stores come to mind) were somehow able to stay open; yet the mom
and pop home decor stores were not allowed to.
UGH! Hope she made it and ya'll are reunited at this hour! Happy for ya, gent.
Didn't even have to go to the news, Amerikkka saw it with our own eyes.. and for the most part, we played ball even. It's disgusting that Amazon, Target, Walmart & Home Depot were allowed (and are still...) to turn
Covid into profits... well; the real issue is that others were required
to do the exact opposite. Its disgusting.
Heck, you can be a model on Instagram or play video games on youTube these days and make millions.
Is it possible to make millions watching someone visit a BBS? LOL
Heck, you can be a model on Instagram or play video games on youTube
these days and make millions.
Is it possible to make millions watching someone visit a BBS? LOL
There are a lot of poor models and video game players on Instagram, YouTube, and Twitch,
...so I imagine the millionaire BBS visitor would be
someone who's already famous somehow.
E.g., if Beyonce or someone in the Kardashian clan took up visiting BBSs, it'd probably get a lot of views, even if people had no idea what was
going on.
Captain Obvious wrote to echicken <=-
A couple of my stores are in areas where masks are mandated. I've got
the signs posted on the front door informing customers of it and
coached everyone that works for me that they are not the mask police
and are not to say anything to customers about it. If another customer wants to call the police or health department because someone doesn't
wear one that's their business. I'm not going to put any of my folks in the position where they are having to de-escalate a situation that's
not even of their own making.
Thank you! She made it just fine, we're having a great time! They're sleeping in today, then we're venturing out to go shopping and apartment searching for her and her family. Pretty excited to have her considering moving here.
I guess I am lucky, as others have suggested, to have sold my business prior to all of this stuff hitting. While they never closed Landscape Businesses, I have heard that most are struggling due to the obvious
lack of funds people have; many have lost clients.
My daughter works for Target and during the start of the stay at home orders, and ever sense, she said it's been a zoo, with most just
browsing to kill boredom. In addition, Target gave them a $2 per hour raise for hazard pay, then cut their hours from 40 to 20. So they
looked great in the media, but reduced their stores full time to ZERO. Then proceeded to hire twice the number of part timers. I have heard
many other companies have also done this, but not nearly as often as Target. I don't shop there, however if I did, I'd stop. That was a pretty crappy thing to do. As for lowes, it was also a zoo here in Indiana. Most browsing home decor, lighting, cabinets, paint, etc.... I get a water heater being essential, contractors needing to pick up plumbing parts, but NOT people shopping for home decor. The one that I
did not understand was "At Home." It's an extremely large home decor store with absolutely NOTHING essential. They were open for curb side pick up. Most everything is back open now, however the schools are struggling to figure out a plan for reopening, as we re spiking again
with COVID19, and people are financially strained -- yet many teachers
do not want live classes, and most parents need them. We are less then
a month from schools "opening" and yet have a solid plan as to whats
their final decision is (elearning, live, or a mix of both).
-tG
There are a lot of poor models and video game players on Instagram, YouTube, and Twitch,By "poor models.." do you mean money-poor? or viewable-poor?
(BTW, Instagram totally annoys me. I never got past the forced login in order "to see more.." Never heard of Twitch. Not for me. But I can
The key would be to have a celeb on YOUR video. :) But.. how do you
get there? Maybe spoof and impersonate a celeb, and make it humorous?
I will not wear a mask.
Dr. What wrote to Captain Obvious <=-
A couple of my stores are in areas where masks are mandated. I've got
the signs posted on the front door informing customers of it and
coached everyone that works for me that they are not the mask police
and are not to say anything to customers about it. If another customer wants to call the police or health department because someone doesn't
wear one that's their business. I'm not going to put any of my folks in the position where they are having to de-escalate a situation that's
not even of their own making.
I will not wear a mask.
I will not wear a mask.
It is at this time that I am reminding myself that FSXnet has a no-politics rule.
Adept wrote to Dr. What <=-
I will not wear a mask.
It is at this time that I am reminding myself that FSXnet has a no-politics rule.
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
I will not wear a mask.
Why?
Because it really doesn't do anything.
There's one case where it helps, to a certain extent: If you are contageous and showing symptoms, wearing a mask will help prevent you
from spreading COVID to a certain extent.
What kind of stores do you operate?
My point was that nobody should reasonably expect someone to become violent just because they're asked to wear a mask, or told that they
can't enter a store. Fear of a grown adult throwing an insane tantrum is
a strange reason to throw out a sensible policy.
But I've already decided that if a store says that I still must wear one or leave, I would peacefully leave. It's their property and they can
set whatever rules they want.
...While I disagree with not wearing masks I generally don't argue
about it with folks that won't because I know how to mind my own
business and expect them to do the same. If my daughter is with me in public (rare nowadays but sometimes you just have to get out) I'll
usually glare and tell them to back the hell up if they are too close
as she has an autoimmune disease.
I will not wear a mask.
It is at this time that I am reminding myself that FSXnet has a no-politics rule.
+1
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
I will not wear a mask.
Why?
Because it really doesn't do anything.
There's one case where it helps, to a certain extent: If you are contageous and showing symptoms, wearing a mask will help prevent
you from spreading COVID to a certain extent.
Target on that front; but its all the same..... move em into part time, take the insurance - just have employees for the damn cheapest they can. Period. No matter what the country, no matter what the laws; just doso
in the cheapest way for CORP that they can. It's a sad affair.
Ahhh - I didn't know she was considering a move. Got it... well, hope all continues to go well on that front. I, also, am going to see my kids in Sacramento this weekend... kinda stupid that it took hearing your story
to jumpstart me into doing so.. but.. its a pandemic - and INSERT OTHER BULLSHIT EXCUSES. Anyway, after hearing about yer daughter... I'm just going, period. :P It'll be nice to get away with the kids. Spending the weekend in Sacramento with the both of them, then me and my 16 year old are gonna go on a roadtrip father/son style. :P They visit twice a year, but it just isn't enough...
Seeing apam responding, reminded me that I'm now contacting my BBS
through MagiTerm rather than SyncTerm, after getting sick of not being able to copy-and-paste in the Windows version (and maybe there's some other reason for it, but MagiTerm works splendidly).
Seeing apam responding, reminded me that I'm now contacting my BBS
through MagiTerm rather than SyncTerm, after getting sick of not being
able to copy-and-paste in the Windows version (and maybe there's some
other reason for it, but MagiTerm works splendidly).
Have you used netrunner at all? It copy and pastes and displays more
then 16 colors... I've enjoyed using it, but haven't used MagiTerm to be able to compare.
Have you used netrunner at all? It copy and pastes and displays more then
Ahhhhh! So, all the world's leading health experts/doctors are
wrong, and you're right on that.
You highight with your mouse, it will add to the clipboard when you
let go of the left arrow. Then you can paste by right clicking where
you want to begin your paste, and select paste as an option.
Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-
Ahhhhh! So, all the world's leading health experts/doctors are
wrong, and you're right on that.
Easy there.. Not even the experts have had a consensus on this
one. They mostly started with a NO, it'll make no difference.
Now most have changed their mind... but its going to depend on
"your" trusted source of information as to who still says what.
Given the lack of consensus even the experts could be wrong..:)
I guess I am lucky, as others have suggested, to have sold my
business prior to all of this stuff hitting. While they never closed Landscape Businesses, I have heard that most are struggling due to
the obvious lack of funds people have; many have lost clients.
I tend to be something of a stick in the mud. When something works I stick with it. So what real options are out there at the moment?
MagiTerm
SynchTerm
Netrunner
Anything else?
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
There's one case where it helps, to a certain extent: If you are contageous and showing symptoms, wearing a mask will help prevent you
from spreading COVID to a certain extent.
Captain Obvious wrote to Dr. What <=-
But I've already decided that if a store says that I still must wear one or leave, I would peacefully leave. It's their property and they can
set whatever rules they want.
And that's the proper attitude to take.
Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-
I will not wear a mask.
Why?
Because it really doesn't do anything.
There's one case where it helps, to a certain extent: If you are contageous and showing symptoms, wearing a mask will help prevent
you from spreading COVID to a certain extent.
Ahhhhh! So, all the world's leading health experts/doctors are
wrong, and you're right on that.
Gotcha.
... All the easy problems have been solved.
Stopping Asymptomatic community transmission is important to note -
sick people with symptoms should be self-quarantining, but there are people who aren't showing symptoms (yet) but have Covid-19 and can theoretically spread it. Masks help with that.
Have you used netrunner at all? It copy and pastes and displays more
then 16 colors... I've enjoyed using it, but haven't used MagiTerm to be able to compare.
It'd be a shame if we don't use the public mask debate to edumacate
people on the US Constitution. Hint: Being required to wear a mask on *private* property is not depriving you of any constitutional rights.
Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-
I will not wear a mask.
Why?
Because it really doesn't do anything.
There's one case where it helps, to a certain extent: If you are contageous and showing symptoms, wearing a mask will help prevent
you from spreading COVID to a certain extent.
Ahhhhh! So, all the world's leading health experts/doctors are
wrong, and you're right on that.
Gotcha.
Well, if you check the technical papers of serious manufacturers,
they state masks are intended to prevent you from spreading
infected particles (for example, when you are in a surgery room
where there is a guy with an open belly). In order to prevent you
from being infected, you are supposed to wear a respirator
instead.
WHY did you sell your biz?
I remember you mentioning the sale before, but I don't recall why you
sold it - especially when you didn't have something in place to replace it.
Do you have Bitcoin?
Eh, being required to wear a mask on *public* property is almost
certainly _also_ not depriving you of any US constitutional rights, either. Though there are more people who believe it does, for however
much that counts for.
Understood, and agreed. The reason it's still a good idea to wear
a mask is that a person can be NON-symptomatic and feel fine, and
On 07-24-20 07:16, Adept wrote to Gamgee <=-
There's been some recent evidence that wearing a mask may end up
reducing the severity of infection that people get, even if the mask doesn't stop them from getting infected.
Idea being that the mask reduces the viral load that gets through. And, with this virus, viral load seems to matter.
Adept wrote to Gamgee <=-
Understood, and agreed. The reason it's still a good idea to wear
a mask is that a person can be NON-symptomatic and feel fine, and
There's been some recent evidence that wearing a mask may end up
reducing the severity of infection that people get, even if the
mask doesn't stop them from getting infected.
Idea being that the mask reduces the viral load that gets
through. And, with this virus, viral load seems to matter.
This article is where I first saw the concept:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/wearing-mask -may-offer-pr
otection-against-catching-severe-covid-19/5431323002/
It is rather fascinating about exactly how little we know about
this virus, and the efficacy of various things. But it's hard to
do a good study over a short period of time during a pandemic.
Target on that front; but its all the same..... move em into part tim take the insurance - just have employees for the damn cheapest they c Period. No matter what the country, no matter what the laws; just dos in the cheapest way for CORP that they can. It's a sad affair.
Yeah thats the trend in retail these days and likely other industries
that are hourly. They also save significantly in overtime by doing so. There are better retailers our there. My son-in-law's friend was
written up at Target for saying "hey man whats up!?" to a guy who apparently identified as a woman, yet literally was a guy, no attempt to look otherwise, nor for any purpose other then to get the friend in trouble. Target has become too political for me to shop at, and I
suspect to simply attract more employees willing to work part time. It
is yet another attempt of them to look like a great company to work for
in the eyes of the media, while making it difficult to for the employees to see the benefit of the companies claims. It is what it is, they
could always quit, but I just met her, so not going to be that direct (yet).
Good for you! Kids are invaluable and we aren't getting any younger,
nor are they. It's small world, she flew out of Sacramento to come
visit us here in Indiana. She lives in Chico CA. Hope you have a good time with them, and a good road trip! Our week has been crazy busy. We went to the Childrens Museum today -- I have 3 young boys and now a 2 year old grandson. It was pretty much empty and super clean, they did a great job of sanitizing and stopping each 6 foot group to share a quick story about each exhibit, with an obvious attempt to prevent any over crowding within each area. Our Childrens museum is apparently one of
the best in the country, its 4 stories with easily 3-5 exhibits on each floor. However anything interactive was closed, so it wasn't as fun for my 3 year old, or his 2 year old nephew (lol!). We've been out quite a
bit and it's amazing what a ghost town places are during the work week compared to pre-covid. I'd say the museum was at less then 30%
capacity, and easily that compared to normal. I'll also say, wearing a mask sucks, it was very hot and hard to breath within. So glad to be spending the rest of the week hanging out at home.
-tG
While technically someone could be arrested for not wearing a mask, inveviably they would win in court for the local governments not
following constitutional process when in public (private business,
COVID I don't consider a political conversation. Its affecting ALL of
And just for the record, I'm not a "mask fanatic". I do wear one,
most of the time, when out in a public setting, but also think
Idea being that the mask reduces the viral load that gets through.
Given what I know about this virus, this makes sense. Evidence has been
guy. I am all for capitalism; but we seem to have lost our decency,
too.
guy. I am all for capitalism; but we seem to have lost our decency, too.
Seems to work that way, a lot of business starts with the idea of making
a profit, and somewhere along the line substitutes that for taking you
for everything they can get while putting as little as possible back
into the community.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
But how long do those people (not showing symptoms, and may never show symptoms because they are asymptomatic) have to wear a mask?
On 07-25-20 04:12, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Idea being that the mask reduces the viral load that gets through.
Given what I know about this virus, this makes sense. Evidence has been
Probably also reduces the distance you're actually sucking it into your lungs too.. seems to hide there during asymptomatic stages...
guy. I am all for capitalism; but we seem to have lost our decency, too.
Seems to work that way, a lot of business starts with the idea of making a profit, and somewhere along the line substitutes that for taking you for everything they can get while putting as little as possible back into the community.
Spec
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HOW do you activate/use the copy-paste in Netrunner? I don't spot the command in Alt-Z. Using Netrunner for Windows here.
Thats funny, I stayed in Chico last night. LOL. Dude, Redding CA and even Chico were INSANELY busy! Like... I know I'm not in Oregon anymore and all, but man... the foot traffic (and majority lack of covid awareness) here is insane. And I thought California was doing a good job with it
all - I do NOT see that, in the areas that I've been. Sacramento
today... wonder if its better there. (More left city...)
Its cool that ya'll have found things to do - I'm about to start finding what things I can do with them between Sacto and San Francisco. Right
now I have drive-in movie theater and some parks in the big city. We'll see.... gonna cook a good dinner for them tomorrow.
Hope you're having a good time with the kiddos!
-tG
WHY did you sell your biz?
At 45 the heat and pysical aspect of the job started catching up to
me. By 48, the employees became an intolerance. I sold for a good
profit,
..I had planned on taking a year off, but I just can't .. kids are
getting expensive and my entrepreneur "itch" is kicking in. In
addition, I don't like seeing funds draining from my account without replenishment.
The other reasons I left the landscape business the capex required to grow; its significant within Landscape and Property Management..
..And as you likely know from being LLC, the dual taxing
on the singular profit (personal income and business income taxes) took a large portion of what little was made; particularly after capex ( to
write off as expenses ) being purchased end of year.
I sold it to someone who had the capital to grow it past the $500K annually I was able to accomplish yet fell stagnant at for 3 years due to the aforementioned.
48 is young, man! But.. the idea is to have "other" people do the physical grunge work as much as possible. You, as owner, should only supervise.
The other day I got a call from an organization looking to sponsor kids for summer camp. Had to tell them outright "sorry, I can only do that
if I want to go further into debt." That ended the conversation.
For me, as sole proprietor, there is only one tax process in Canada. The biz is lumped into personal.
How are the new people doing? Did they retain the biz name, branding, etc?
nristen wrote to Dr. What <=-
What scares me is how much we can be controlled by fear.
Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-
There's one case where it helps, to a certain extent: If you are contageous and showing symptoms, wearing a mask will help prevent
you from spreading COVID to a certain extent.
Ahhhhh! So, all the world's leading health experts/doctors are
wrong, and you're right on that.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
Stopping Asymptomatic community transmission is important to note -
sick people with symptoms should be self-quarantining, but there are people who aren't showing symptoms (yet) but have Covid-19 and can theoretically spread it. Masks help with that.
My dad is the same as you describe yours to have been. He's 73 and finally slowing down. He built his retirement home himself, and just
last year built a she shed for my step mom that only took him a week
to do, power, ac and heat, laminate floors, etc... so she would have
a room to sew when she wanted the space to do so.
For me, I have high blood pressure, and have had kidney failure. The combination, beit adjustment to the medication and /or it's
combination with the heat, has lead to being less tolerable to
drastic temperature..
[[...]] The high blood pressure did not suit well with the type of employee that typically work within landscape. It's easy to find
people who want a job, moreso complicated to find people who want to
show up consistently..
[[...]] it was a vicious cycle of hire, fire, buy, damage or break,
jump in for an arrested skilled laborer, setting aside my own responsibilities, etc... I could go on and on but sure you catch the
vibe.
At the end of the day I am waiting for the light bulb to come
back on full of ideas that would be more manageable and cost
effective to own. That light bulb remains dim under the current
political and COVID times we live in at the moment.
... I had every client involved in any charity, not for profit,
school sponsorship, etc. hitting me up with money thinking I was
loaded. Saying no at times lost clients, but when you pull in $35,000
per year on every $300,000 in revenue, you can't just be throwing
money around.
..I just wrote a check for $30,000 as a result of selling the
business. So it was not a fun month. And, our state does not allow
Sole proprietor and or LLC income to be included in unemployment eligibility; and one must have been fired to normally be approved for
it anyway. Those who quit, sold a business, closed a business,
etc... are just out of luck right now.
How are the new people doing? Did they retain the biz name, branding,
etc?
Ok I guess. Not as well as I would have consulted, however we had a pre-agreed hourly rate on consultation which of course they did not
want to utilize.
As a result they are down 20% year over year.
...So they're losing those clients who felt that important. Otherwise
they kept the branding and name, and I have not seen bad reviews in social areas -- just clients I have become friends with over the
years reaching out to my personal facebook account to see if I could cattle prod the owner to return their call.
Have you used netrunner at all? It copy and pastes and displays morethen
I tend to be something of a stick in the mud. When something works I
stick
with it. So what real options are out there at the moment?
MagiTerm
SynchTerm
Netrunner
Anything else?
Spec
My mom ended up using the bathroom just off the master bedroom as her sewing room. :( The bathroom never became a bathroom that she designed.
I guess my dad seemed to have a lot on his plate, but my mom lived with
NO kitchen cabinets for nearly 10 years. The interior of the home was never completed in its entirety: some trim still missing, no vent over
the stove, no pantry storage, no deck (although the house had special beams extended for that purpose), an extra bathroom in the lower level that never got further than a toilet (although the plumbing for a shower and sink were there). Mom never got the dream laundry room she needed;
we made a lot of visits to the laundromat in the early years. She ended up getting a washer, but the drier was parked in a completely different room (the unfinished bathroom mentioned above!). :(
That was a very nice thing your dad did building and *finishing* that shed.
That's a lot to bear. Sorry to hear it. Is/was your form of kidney disease reversable (as I read on the internet that it *can* be).
That's was certainly a lot on your plate. Too bad health concerns had
to interrupt the business that you were fond of.
I don't have a family to deal with, but keeping the shop operating
almost seems pointless.
Is that 35K USD after taxes? <g> That's pretty good!
I would have thought that in a LLC you could technically fire/layoff yourself, and therefore qualify?
But $30K is huge. Purchasing my biz now over 8 years ago , I was hit
with taxes on the "value" of inventory. Apparently, inventory is not a deductable expense.
Lesson learned. Some previous owners of businesses establish a running retainer for the privilege of accessing their experience during the adaptation of running the business, and THEN add an hourly figure on top of that.
Ah.. so they still share biz details with you? Or.. are they operating
as a public company so the info is accessible?
Couldn't you specialize in a particular aspect of the lawncare biz and
not have the myriad of activities and equipment as before? Just have something you could contract out yourself.
If people TRUST you to make good decisions for a task, that is an asset that has value that maybe you could utilize for some income.
That was a very nice thing your dad did building and *finishing* that
shed.
I'll try to figure out how to send you a picture of it.
For being over 70, the man does not stop. I was just up there
yesterday, and the 1 acre lot is still very well maintained.
He was complaining about having to get on the roof to clean out his chimney to his wood burning stove. He knew I would be there the next
day and could have just waited. He's too stubborn to allow anyone to
help.
I'm cracking up about your moms horrible experience with your dads
start of projects. That is so me, i start crap and don't finish it
for years.
My poor wife has dealt with unsanded drywall repairs for about 2 years
now as I hate sanding drywall mud, and I don't like listening to her complain about the dust. Your dad sounds just like me. haha!
..They chalked it up to me being sick, must have been dehydrated, and
the anti-inflammatory induced the failure. I was a test rat for a
year, as they tried to figure it out.
I don't have a family to deal with, but keeping the shop operating
almost seems pointless.
If it pays the bills and isn't stressful to go into every day, I'd
keep it open and ride out the wave. Hang in there, I know it's a
passion of yours and times will get better.
...The capex ... etc. etc. It's behind me though .. not my problem anymore and the guy who bought it doesn't mind business loans and
debt --
I grew it from cash only, and left that way too. So I'm proud..
As for inventory, we do not have tax beyond sales tax. If you file
for tax exempt on materials you sell to a consumer, you have to
collect the sales tax and forward those funds..
I did a lump sum for the business with an hourly consultation for 10 weeks, then optional consultation if desired afterwards. They
learned enough to be dangerous in 10 weeks, and so far have fallen
pretty short.
I did not like the monthly retainer concept as I just wanted to walk
a way with my money and not chase a guy down for payments during any
bad month he had.
Ah.. so they still share biz details with you?..See above... they are still required to share financial statuses through next year for bonus potential.
...I imagine if I built a youtube site dedicated to his industry but
from a do it yourself and or consumer prospective, where he'd be able
to use a few for a fee, that He'd open it up and my past clients
would discover me which could launch an opportunity for income.
Like I said, once my head clears and the bulb comes on, I can see one
if not a blended concept youtube channel being an option that would
be acceptable via the contract (as another option to stay within the business).
By the way, new netflix recommendation: Fear City, New York and the Mafia -- right in my BBS zone! So good so far!!!!!
I don't know if fsxnet allows it, but you can crash an email + file to
my fido address. But.. you have to limit the filename to 8.3 naming format.
In one sense that "does not stop" can be a good thing. I see too many people younger than me (in their 50s) and they can barely walk and don't seem to care about maintaining mobility or flexibility.
You have to do it this way: when you give him a day that you will show
to help, arrive a day early instead. <g>
Mom coped. But it is a sad commentary. She designed the house. She
never lived long enough to see the whole thing done. Later, I learned what the real problem was with motivating my dad. You could "tell" him what needs to be done, but he would struggle to get started. Mom, spent
a lot of time telling him stuff. BUT.. the key to get him going was to *show* him a plan.
Anyway.. so, I decided it was time to have at least a pole shed right
next to the house so that anyone could bring in some wood when necessary
- and not rely on a tractor + 2 people for the job. I talked my ear off with my dad about the project but he just wouldn't budge. But I was
really excited about it and built a scale model of the pole-shed with
roof to show how it should align with the existing roof-line and how it would all line up with the house. He showed a bit more interest but it still wasn't quite enough.
Turns out I had pleurisy. In my case, an antibiotic removed 6 months of coughing fits and pain in a few days.
neccesity to continue operations. But I may or may not warm up to describing those another time.
Well financed debt is still cheap at single digits. SO.. why not, eh?
All cash. Very nice!
taxes I collect at the cash register. Meanwhile, any remaining
inventory counts towards income and not deductible. The inventory
formula sucks.
The key was to not tell them everything in 10 weeks! LOL
When you write "his industry", "where he'd be able", "that He'd open it up" ..are you refering to the new owner of the business you sold? Or.. are you referring to a potential client? In any case, good to hear
Yeah.. Produce short YT vids with just enough info that demonstrate your knowledge, but not enough to dish out all your specific techniques or products. Make it interesting with drone fly-overs of previous projects.
I still have to finish The Americans series - I stalled at end of season two. I got distracted by a few episodes of Banacek. And I still have
already feels like 8days/wk) I wonder if I can even stay awake long
enough to see all those great shows.
What scares me is how much we can be controlled by fear.
That scares me too. Right now, my area (Michigan, U.S.) is still semi-locked down.
When you run the numbers, the number of cases (inflated) is 0.7% of the population. The number of deaths (again, inflated) is 0.06% of the population.
Yeah not here. As sole proprietor and or LLC, your total profit is
taxed as personal income, and then separately as business income. Until our new federal tax reduction to 20%, I would pay 35% business income
tax, and then the federal tax table on personal income (for my wife and
I combined) minus any deductions, child tax credits, etc.. Most years
So, either you don't listen to the experts, or you only listen to the Leftie media who tell you what the experts say (i.e. they lie).
Just FYI, FSXnet is a no politics zone.
This sounds like double taxation, and not what I thought "sole
proprietor" worked as. E.g., I claimed some minor income from side hustles, and it was taxed as regular income.
Dr. What wrote to nristen <=-
When you run the numbers, the number of cases (inflated) is 0.7% of the population. The number of deaths (again, inflated) is 0.06% of the population.
We're under effective tyranny right now over something that doesn't
impact even 1% of our population.
It reminds me of a really bad teacher in Jr. High. She would punish
the whole class for what 1 person did. You can figure out how controllable her class was by the end of the school year.
Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
Stopping Asymptomatic community transmission is important to note -
sick people with symptoms should be self-quarantining, but there are people who aren't showing symptoms (yet) but have Covid-19 and can theoretically spread it. Masks help with that.
They've already shown that's not the case.
nristen wrote to Dr. What <=-
Once the mob goes crazy then you have rioting in the streets which is actually begging to have the government to clamp down and we will then willingly give up our freedom in exchange for the government to lock things down even further.
Just FYI, FSXnet is a no politics zone.
What if it's just trolling. Then can we do it?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
When you run the numbers, the number of cases (inflated) is 0.7% of the population. The number of deaths (again, inflated) is 0.06% of the population.
This argument doesn't take into account the number of people our
health care system can service at one time.
ICUs are filling up.
If you look at the number of infected and the
number requiring care as a percentage of available hospital beds the
numbers look quite a bit different.
How many kids died in your Junior High School of an infectious
disease?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
They've already shown that's not the case.
Not sure who the "they" are you refer to, could you elaborate? My
guidance above came from the CDC.
hospitals have ended up closing. On top of that the Media has fear mongeredand many people who shoul
have gone in for non-COVID things (like cancer) aren't doing so and gettingsick because of that.
Not sure who the "they" are you refer to, could you elaborate? My
guidance above came from the CDC.
On 07-26-20 10:03, Ogg wrote to The Godfather <=-
48 is young, man! But.. the idea is to have "other" people do the physical grunge work as much as possible. You, as owner, should only supervise.
On 07-27-20 01:37, The Godfather wrote to Ogg <=-
I can't stop working in my yard or on home improvement projects, idle hands are not good for me. I played football in highschool, worked out through my 30's, and owned the landscape business which made working
out look like a treadmill, raced BMX from childhood through 10th grade.
My issue is not motivation, its adult ADHD. I went undiagnosed as a child. I can zone in on a project and complete it witin half the time
as others working on the same; however .. the last 10% of the job I've moved on from and becomes a "new project" on my todo list, that always takes second seat to more pressing honey due lists. And, there is a
bit of motivation I lack depending on the las 10% needing done, such as sanding dry wall mud.
Ok, THIS is something I find concerning, because I have seen it here.
Exactly... When I look at the actual numbers of deaths per day across the whole US, it suddenly doesn't look nearly as scary.
But when we put a label on this, "Panedemic" it causes intelligence to
fly out the window which is replaced by mob mentality.
What really scares me is how willing we are to believe everything that
the media says without verifying the numbers first.
Once the mob goes crazy then you have rioting in the streets which is actually begging to have the government to clamp down and we will then willingly give up our freedom in exchange for the government to lock things down even further.
...all because we listened to and believed the gossip that this virus is going to get you if you step out of your house and be around other
people.
nristen (Karl Harris)
On 19 Jul 2020, Ogg said the following...
What kind of stores do you operate?
Diners. I have six under me. Well, fuve right now. Had to
close one and quarantine my team from that store for a
while. Fortunately was able to continue paying everyone.
Not necessarily a given working for a corporation.
Are your diners part of a chain?
Now nearly a month later after you wrote that, how's it going?
I've heard that some States and countries are ending the
reprieve of opening up restaurants and demanding closures,
again.
Apam wrote to All <=-
If you have any other Zmodem implementations to test with that would be great.
There is no binaries available at this stage.
I'm using ezyprot here if you want to try it. I think last time I
tried
magiterm I could upload but not download.
I've committed my changes to Zmodem now, it's a work in progress, but if
Apam wrote to Tiny <=-
I spent the afternoon importing the zmodem code from synchronet. Seems
to work mostly.
Had some success with your BBS, successfully uploaded and downloaded a
qwk packet using normal zmodem. EzyProt Zmodem failed though.
I've uploaded a windows build with the new zmodem code, but will hold
off updating the RPMs/debs until it's tested a bit more.
I was just thinking today I wonder how tiny's going, haven't seen a
post from you in a while. Hope you're well :)
Well that's something. :) I have them both installed just because everyone
is different and between them both normally term's will work.
Doing good man. Been busy winterizing the trailer, but that's all
done
so for 7 months I'm stuck in the city. :(
Apam wrote to Tiny <=-
That's good. Ah winterizing *nods*.. is that like wrapping it up in a blanket or something? I guess it has to do with snow?
More like putting everything in the shed, standing the picnic tablesupright
taking down the swing, taking down the awning (all that for snow), thenyou
have to drain all the water pipes and fill the lines with antifreeze sothe
pipes don't burst in the winter. Some people wrap in tarps, I don't as the roof is designed to correctly vent moisture.
Bob Roberts wrote to Tiny <=-
Can I ask where in the world you live that you have to put anti-freeze
in your pipes? I assume this is because it's a vacation home or
something where you won't be using the water for awhile?
Thats a pretty intense process.
Can I ask where in the world you live that you have to put
anti-freeze in your pipes? I assume this is because it's a vacation
home or something where you won't be using the water for awhile?
Ontario Canada. Yes it's a vacation place and as it will be without heat for 7 months if you don't put antifreeze in the pipes they will burst, as no matter how hard you try you'll never drain all the water. :)
Tiny wrote to Bob Roberts <=-
Ontario Canada. Yes it's a vacation place and as it will be without heat for 7 months if you don't put antifreeze in the pipes they will burst, as no matter how hard you try you'll never drain all the water.
Pretty standard here.
Bob Roberts wrote to Tiny <=-
So how does it work? Is there a special "port" in your plumbing where
you can pump in anti-freeze? Does a truck come do it? Or do you do
it yourself? How much anti-freeze do you need? Do you have to
lock-out your taps somehow to prevent anyone from accidently drinking
it?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tiny <=-
With the new one, you need to run a rinse cycle with a GALLON of antifreeze, then drain it, and swab out about a cup and a half from
the drum. Pain in the Ass.
We disconnect the water line, open all the taps, flush the crapper,
drain the hotwater tank, flip a valve on that so antifreeze won't go
inside the hot water heater just the lines. Close all the taps.
Bob Roberts wrote to Tiny <=-
So how does it work? Is there a special "port" in your plumbing where
you can pump in anti-freeze? Does a truck come do it? Or do you do it yourself? How much anti-freeze do you need? Do you have to lock-out
your taps somehow to prevent anyone from accidently drinking it?
I've only ever lived in warmer parts though. I have seen frost in the ap>morning, but never snow. (Well I saw artificial snow one time, but never ap> falling from the sky).
That's really interesting. I don't think I even know what antifreeze is? Is it a liquid? or something more gooey?
I guess it's not healthy to ingest from what I'm reading..
mountains and it would get cold enough up there for the water to freeze in the hose. I've only ever lived in warmer parts though. I have seen frost
It's always interesting what is probably mundane to you is really quiet interesting :P
We disconnect the water line, open all the taps, flush the crapper,
drain the hotwater tank, flip a valve on that so antifreeze won't go inside the hot water heater just the lines. Close all the taps.
You don't need to worry about the supply pipes, just the drains.
That sounds like a lot of work for sure. My whole routine is in the
last message. I do it the same way dad did the cottage growing up and
we've never had an issue. ;)
That's really interesting. I don't think I even know what antifreeze is? Is it a liquid? or something more gooey?
I guess it's not healthy to ingest from what I'm reading..
Apam wrote to Tiny <=-
That's good. Ah winterizing *nods*.. is that like wrapping it up in a
blanket or something? I guess it has to do with snow?
More like putting everything in the shed, standing the picnic tables upright
taking down the swing, taking down the awning (all that for snow), then you
have to drain all the water pipes and fill the lines with antifreeze so the
pipes don't burst in the winter. Some people wrap in tarps, I don't as the
roof is designed to correctly vent moisture.
apam wrote to Tiny <=-
That's really interesting. I don't think I even know what antifreeze
is? Is it a liquid? or something more gooey?
freeze in the hose. I've only ever lived in warmer parts though. I have
It's always interesting what is probably mundane to you is really quiet interesting :P
Bob Roberts wrote to Tiny <=-
inside the hot water heater just the lines. Close all the taps.
Pretty freaking cool, thanks for explaining.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tiny <=-
The only issue I had was forgetting to flip the hot water heater
breaker, and burning out the elements when the heater drained. Nothing
like spending a weekend in a 20 degree damp basement with limited
ceiling height, replacing heating elements.
Warpslide wrote to apam <=-
Here's a shot from my front door last winter:
https://imgur.com/a/R5VRfPV
Of course I really can't complain, that is nowhere near the amount of
snow I used to see up in Bracebridge or what Tiny sees in Oshawa.
Liquid. Similar to the coolant in your car. (Unless you guys just
use water in the rad there?)
I wish. In so much pain from the damp and cold around here now.
Laugh, I suppose it would be. It's always a pain in the ass but you
just get used to it I suppose.
Adopt me? ;)
Here's a shot from my front door last winter:
https://imgur.com/a/R5VRfPV
Of course I really can't complain, that is nowhere near the amount of
snow I used to see up in Bracebridge or what Tiny sees in Oshawa.
Lol maybe we could trade places for a while :)
That's so cool. looks like a scene in harry potter, I'm expecting in the next few minutes dumbledore will walk down the street putting the light
in the street lamps?
I guess it would get old if you've gotten tired of the fun things about snow and it just becomes a chore.
Kind of like tourists getting excited when they spot a kangaroo, vs
hoping the damn thing doesn't jump through the windscreen.
apam wrote to Tiny <=-
We disconnect the water line, open all the taps, flush the crapper,
drain the hotwater tank, flip a valve on that so antifreeze won't go
inside the hot water heater just the lines. Close all the taps.
That's really interesting. I don't think I even know what antifreeze
is? Is it a liquid? or something more gooey?
I guess it's not healthy to ingest from what I'm reading..
On 10-22-20 14:01, Warpslide wrote to Apam <=-
Yeah, it does get old fast. Especially when you have to drive in it.
Warm up your car, brush all the snow off, scrape all the frost off the windows and then hope you don't slide off of the road while you're out driving (or that someone else doesn't slide into you).
Kind of like tourists getting excited when they spot a kangaroo, vs
hoping the damn thing doesn't jump through the windscreen.
I'd have to admit, I'd be one of those people who'd get excited about them... lol
But I can see how it'd get old fast. Kind of like seeing squirrels
here. At least a squirrel won't come through your windshield if you
hit one...
Blue White wrote to apam <=-
I am not sure if Tiny uses the same stuff he would put in an auto
radiator or if it is slightly different. From his description, it
sounds very similar.
Tiny wrote to Blue White <=-
I use RV antifreeze... I don't know that it matters, but just always
have.
That's really interesting. I don't think I even know what antifreeze is?
mountains and it would get cold enough up there for the water to freeze in the hose. I've only ever lived in warmer parts though. I have seen frost
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