8x3 file names made perfect sense in 1989 but not so much in 2020. If could leave things like that behind and work with today's realities i would be much easier to move forward.
If you want maximum compatibility then you have to cater to the lowest denominator. I am a top tier filegate hub and there are plenty of people still running older tic processors which only support 8.3.
It is great to innovate and come up with new ways of doing things, but with a hobby that is well into it's death throws, locking out people because you won't support 8.3 files is only going to put the last nail
in the coffin.
After all, it isn't like people are beating down the door to sign up to bbses or to create their own and join a message network.
All of which is to say I think my outlook may be a bit more upbeat than yours.. so we'll have to agree to disagree on those points :)
I agree this holds true if you want maximum compatibility but if you are happy not to aim for that then more possibilities open up. I think
that's a better path to tread else we get tied legacy at the expense of innovation.
I don't think my outlook isn't as upbeat as yours, I am just saying if I was to say to my downlinks that everything I hatch from now on will not
be 8.3 I would loose half of them and turning around and telling them
that they have to upgrade whatever software they use or else they are
SOL is silly as most of them would probably just walk away from it.
All of which is to say I think my outlook may be a bit more upbeat th yours.. so we'll have to agree to disagree on those points :)
I don't think my outlook isn't as upbeat as yours, I am just saying if I was to say to my downlinks that everything I hatch from now on will not
be 8.3 I would loose half of them and turning around and telling them
that they have to upgrade whatever software they use or else they are
SOL is silly as most of them would probably just walk away from it.
On the 8.3 example, here (fsxNet) we have been hatching non 8.3 files on and off for some time. Look at the Mystic releases as an example of
that. I agree if (as you suggest) the change became a blanket either/or call then sure some may well walk,,, but I'm not suggesting that. I'm simply there's a middle ground that can be explored with tying developmental progress firmly to legacy methods and standards... if we
did that we would still be back in the dark ages.
call then sure some may well walk,,, but I'm not suggesting that. I'm simply there's a middle ground that can be explored with tying^saying... ^ without..
This is why, at least with fileechos, we should always cater to the lower denominator in order to ensure everyone gets it.
On 02-26-20 13:19, tenser wrote to Avon <=-
But what attracts people to it now? Some folks really
do seem motivated by running 16-bit DOS programs; in
most cases, the source code for those things is long
But other people might be interested in small social
communities, and are less attached to the specific
technology. I'm personally kind of interested in that,
so I'm not nearly as concerned about compatibility
with legacy systems and standards (and I think that,
where that's warranted, its interesting to explore the edge-compatibility-layer thing I keep going on about).
On 02-26-20 13:31, tenser wrote to Netsurge <=-
As I recall, when Microsoft came up with FAT-32 and
"Long File Name" support, they also released some
specification for creating backwards-compatible 8.3
filenames for compatibility with legacy software.
Files in some hypothetical new system could be distributed
with metadata that included a "compatibility filename"
that would be handed to old software by default; if that
datum were absent, a short filename could be created on
the fly using some well-known algorithm.
Using the newer long filenames could be opt-in. In
binkd, one might specify support for long names in an
M_OPT frame, for example; using a hypothetical HTTP-based
transport it would be the default. But the presumption
there is that only newer software would connect directly
to the HTTP-based service.
On 02-26-20 18:53, Avon wrote to Netsurge <=-
Yeah sorry it was a poor choice of phrase to use I'm sure you're as
upbeat as the next guy :)
On the 8.3 example, here (fsxNet) we have been hatching non 8.3 files
on and off for some time. Look at the Mystic releases as an example of that. I agree if (as you suggest) the change became a blanket either/or call then sure some may well walk,,, but I'm not suggesting that. I'm simply there's a middle ground that can be explored with tying developmental progress firmly to legacy methods and standards... if we
did that we would still be back in the dark ages.
On the 8.3 example, here (fsxNet) we have been hatching non 8.3 files on and off for some time. Look at the Mystic releases as an example
I need to proof more ... sigh.
For maximum compatibility, the old keywords would have to be used, at least in areas where legacy systems are supported. A new mechanism
would be needed for the LFN. However, going back through the messages, you'll see there already exist such a mechanism for TIC files. From there, it's not a huge leap to use this idea over some more modern transport between compatible (i.e. newer) systems.
Well, only newer software or gateway software, which would manage how things are presented to legacy systems behind them.
On the 8.3 example, here (fsxNet) we have been hatching non 8.3 files and off for some time. Look at the Mystic releases as an example
Ponder, is there any advantage to using long file names for mail? I can understand actual "file transfers", tic's I s'pose, but then I never see those anyway, at some point I can see most of it being something other than 8.3 and the mail packets still there..
But other people might be interested in small social
communities, and are less attached to the specific
technology. I'm personally kind of interested in that,
so I'm not nearly as concerned about compatibility
with legacy systems and standards (and I think that,
where that's warranted, its interesting to explore the edge-compatibility-layer thing I keep going on about).
So what do folks want to do? That, in part, will
dictate how far the technology can be pushed.
Ponder, is there any advantage to using long file names for mail?
I can understand actual "file transfers", tic's I s'pose, but then
I never see those anyway, at some point I can see most of it being something other than 8.3 and the mail packets still there..
Even better then. For things like TIC, this is a solved
problem. I might ask, "Why are people still doing things
like TIC? Why not something like rsync, or RSS/Atom with
links to files?" but that's a separate question (again, I'm
presuming the existence of some kind of compatibility
layer for old clients).
On 02-27-20 00:29, tenser wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Even better then. For things like TIC, this is a solved
problem. I might ask, "Why are people still doing things
like TIC? Why not something like rsync, or RSS/Atom with
links to files?" but that's a separate question (again, I'm
presuming the existence of some kind of compatibility
layer for old clients).
Well, only newer software or gateway software, which would manage how things are presented to legacy systems behind them.
Right, but since the new transport doesn't exist, any gateways
that implemented would necessarily be new software once it
does exist. :-)
On 02-26-20 21:23, Spectre wrote to Avon <=-
On the 8.3 example, here (fsxNet) we have been hatching non 8.3 files on and off for some time. Look at the Mystic releases as an example
Ponder, is there any advantage to using long file names for mail? I can
understand actual "file transfers", tic's I s'pose, but then I never
see those anyway, at some point I can see most of it being something
other than 8.3 and the mail packets still there..
On 02-26-20 13:17, Al wrote to tenser <=-
That a good question. Passing files between nodes is easy with tic
files. There may be a better way to accomplish that but I don't know
what it is.
That a good question. Passing files between nodes is easy with
tic files. There may be a better way to accomplish that but I
don't know what it is.
Bittorrent or a similar protocol?
That a good question. Passing files between nodes is easy with tic files. There may be a better way to accomplish that but I don't know what it is.Bittorrent or a similar protocol?
On 02-26-20 21:34, Al wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That a good question. Passing files between nodes is easy with
tic files. There may be a better way to accomplish that but I
don't know what it is.
Bittorrent or a similar protocol?
Quite possible. If you have the seeds even large files can be
transfered in no time.
On 02-26-20 22:37, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Here in the States...we have companies like Comcrap which get off on nailing anyone who uses torrent for any reason.
hexOn the 8.3 example, here (fsxNet) we have been hatching non 8.3 files on
and off for some time. Look at the Mystic releases as an example
Ponder, is there any advantage to using long file names for mail? I can
Only for zones greater than 4095 on systems using BSO, because the 3 digit
encoding can only handle up to 4095 (decimal). But in reality, that's not going to be a major thing.
Here in the States...we have companies like Comcrap which get off on nailing anyone who uses torrent for any reason.Pity, because Bittorrent is actually a useful protocol for legal uses. For me, it's often the fastest way to download a Linux distro, for example.
Very true! According to Comcrap (which acts as the Internet police for
the corporations)...any use of bittorrent is illegal because it's used
for getting copyrighted material. Heaven forbid that Hollywood might
On 02-27-20 13:17, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I use "4D Amiga style outbound" with binkd, which is much more readable than the standard BSO hex encoding:
outbound/fsxnet/21.1.100.0.out (or .flo)
The modifications for crashmail were not hard to do (even for me, who
is not a C coder).
On 02-27-20 08:51, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Here in the States...we have companies like Comcrap which get off on nailing anyone who uses torrent for any reason.Pity, because Bittorrent is actually a useful protocol for legal uses.
For me, it's often the fastest way to download a Linux distro, for example.
Very true! According to Comcrap (which acts as the Internet police for
the corporations)...any use of bittorrent is illegal because it's used
for getting copyrighted material. Heaven forbid that Hollywood might
miss those few extra dollars because I hate going to the cinema.
thoseHere in the States...we have companies like Comcrap which get off onPity, because Bittorrent is actually a useful protocol for legal uses.
nailing anyone who uses torrent for any reason.
For me, it's often the fastest way to download a Linux distro, for
example.
Very true! According to Comcrap (which acts as the Internet police for the corporations)...any use of bittorrent is illegal because it's used for getting copyrighted material. Heaven forbid that Hollywood might miss
few extra dollars because I hate going to the cinema.
ofI use "4D Amiga style outbound" with binkd, which is much more readable
than the standard BSO hex encoding:
outbound/fsxnet/21.1.100.0.out (or .flo)
Hmm, that looks quite useful and certainly wouldn't have the limitations
BSO. Good for systems that support LFNs (Linux, Windows, etc). DOS based systems would need some weird workaround.
needThe modifications for crashmail were not hard to do (even for me, who
is not a C coder).
I use Mystic and Synchronet, so mutil and sbbsecho are the tossers that
the mods.
I need to proof more ... sigh.
Proof of life? :) We're all really just incredible AI's..
Spec
On 02-28-20 08:35, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
28 Feb 20 09:30, you wrote to me:
I use "4D Amiga style outbound" with binkd, which is much more readable
than the standard BSO hex encoding:
outbound/fsxnet/21.1.100.0.out (or .flo)
Hmm, that looks quite useful and certainly wouldn't have the limitations
of
BSO. Good for systems that support LFNs (Linux, Windows, etc). DOS based systems would need some weird workaround.
I thought BSO is already the weird workaround. binkd automatically
changes the filename of an 4D
.out file to an 8x3 .pkt file on transmission.
The modifications for crashmail were not hard to do (even for me, who
is not a C coder).
I use Mystic and Synchronet, so mutil and sbbsecho are the tossers that
need
the mods.
One of the reasons I don't use closed source software.
Maybe Mystic and/or Synchronet already support fileboxes?
for getting copyrighted material. Heaven forbid that Hollywood mightPlease. No one tell them the internet is also used for distribution of copyrighted material.
And yeah I agree, the movie industry have it wrong. Offer the people
what they want, when they want, how they want it and at a reasonable
price and watch piracy go down (and your profits go up).
corporations)...any use of bittorrent is illegal because it's used fo getting copyrighted material. Heaven forbid that Hollywood might missthose
few extra dollars because I hate going to the cinema.They should block all HTTP traffic ... ;)
On 02-28-20 11:30, Joacim Melin wrote to Spectre <=-
I need to proof more ... sigh.
Proof of life? :) We're all really just incredible AI's..
Spec
I heard we are walking cucumbers with anxiety.
On 02-28-20 23:44, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And yeah I agree, the movie industry have it wrong. Offer the people
what they want, when they want, how they want it and at a reasonable
price and watch piracy go down (and your profits go up).
True. Have decided that when the new Bond movie comes out...will be watching it in the cinema. Saw the last 1 in IMAX...but no way for that now.
Bittorrent or a similar protocol?
They should block all HTTP traffic ... ;)
I need to proof more ... sigh.
Proof of life? :) We're all really just incredible AI's..
I heard we are walking cucumbers with anxiety.
On 02-27-20 16:54, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Bittorrent or a similar protocol?
Use OpenNap :)
Use OpenNap :)
Haven't heard of that. :)
On 03-01-20 01:22, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Use OpenNap :)
Haven't heard of that. :)
The ye olde Napster protocol server setup the clients are still
around...
watching it in the cinema. Saw the last 1 in IMAX...but no way for th now.I have a husband who can't cope with the cinema most of the time for mental health reasons, so we're effectively discriminated against by the practices of the movie distributors, who prioritise cinema.
On 03-01-20 22:45, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It's not mental health reasons for me. Same exact issue at work when "parents" have to bring their kids in...but refuse to teach them how to act in public. Have been in restaurants with screaming kids & I will
see the manager about it...no matter what the "parents" think. I eat out...I want to relax & having your little crotch rodents being
annoying isn't allowing me to enjoy myself. Years ago...was in a "R"
rated movie (over 17 years old here in the States). Couple brought
their toddlers in & all they did was scream. Talked to the manager &
was told they had paid for their tickets & there was nothing they could
do since the "parents" brought them there.
their toddlers in & all they did was scream. Talked to the manager & was told they had paid for their tickets & there was nothing they cou do since the "parents" brought them there.Yeah some people have no idea of common courtesy towards others. :/
On 03-03-20 12:54, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Remember when they passed a housing law back in the day when I was a teenager where a company couldn't "discriminate" against parents with kids. Back in the day...there were apartment complexes which catered to singles & other without kids. Now where I live...the kids are running
all over the parking lot...screaming at the top of their lungs &
bothering my scooter. Am shocked/amazed they haven't been hurt/killed
by running out in front of vehicles driving slowly around the lot.
If I had the money...would move into 1 of those 55+ places which are legal. My current roommate is in his early 60's & has family around.
Gonna try to talk to him to see if they have some land where we could
put a couple of those sheds to turn into Tiny Houses.
bothering my scooter. Am shocked/amazed they haven't been hurt/killed by running out in front of vehicles driving slowly around the lot.I don't mind kids around, as long as they're playing sensibly. The
sound of kids playing can brighten up a neighbourhood a bit, but when they're screaming and getting out of control, it gets a bit much.
Not such a problem around here it seems. A greater potential source of annoyance is some of the adults who like noisy parties. There's someone around here who likes to party every Saturday night, but for the most
part they're far enough away that it's not too bad. The exception is
when people get noisy in the street at night, especially drunk women who like shouting in the street. :/
On 03-03-20 16:46, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It's not only the kids...but the mothers are even worse. They tend to think yelling louder will make us understand them better.
Had some shootings in the apartments around here the past few weeks...along with cars being hauled off with the owners screaming how they aren't behind on their payments.
It's not only the kids...but the mothers are even worse. They tend to think yelling louder will make us understand them better.Sounds like you live with a bunch of fishwives. :/
weeks...along with cars being hauled off with the owners screaming ho they aren't behind on their payments.Hmm, you really are in a "classy" area, aren't you? :(
On 03-03-20 20:44, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It's not only the kids...but the mothers are even worse. They tend to think yelling louder will make us understand them better.Sounds like you live with a bunch of fishwives. :/
If so...could leave them in the water.
Hmm, you really are in a "classy" area, aren't you? :(
Classy might be 1 word for it...but when the first word which comes to mind is scumbags...that would be more fitting.
It's not only the kids...but the mothers are even worse. They te think yelling louder will make us understand them better.Classy might be 1 word for it...but when the first word which comes t mind is scumbags...that would be more fitting.
On 03-04-20 21:06, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The worst part is seeing all the rolls as they move. Love big
women...but when every roll looks like it was in the 56 version of The
10 Commandments as the water comes up on each side...that's just way
too much.
Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If I had the money...would move into 1 of those 55+ places which are legal. My current roommate is in his early 60's & has family around.
Gonna try to talk to him to see if they have some land where we could
put a couple of those sheds to turn into Tiny Houses.
Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-
I don't mind kids around, as long as they're playing sensibly. The
sound of kids playing can brighten up a neighbourhood a bit, but when they're screaming and getting out of control, it gets a bit much.
I'm thinking more about selling in the US and moving overseas somewhere that my pension and capital gains will last as long as I plan to.
On 03-05-20 06:26, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
When I see kids out of control on sugar, that's what bothers me. Saw
5-6 year old kids this weekend drinking soda, then bouncing off of the walls.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-
I don't mind kids around, as long as they're playing sensibly. The
sound of kids playing can brighten up a neighbourhood a bit, but when they're screaming and getting out of control, it gets a bit much.
When I see kids out of control on sugar, that's what bothers me. Saw
5-6 year old kids this weekend drinking soda, then bouncing off of the walls.
If I had the money...would move into 1 of those 55+ places which are legal. My current roommate is in his early 60's & has family around.I'll be eligible for one of those in a year - where does the time go? :)
I'm thinking more about selling in the US and moving overseas somewhere that my pension and capital gains will last as long as I plan to.
On 03-07-20 12:49, Phoobar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The same place as my hair (early 80's) & my gut which seems to show my
age better than my face. Funny...have had cougar's come up to me at
work thinking I'm in my early 40's. The fear they have when they learn
my real age should be the same thing as any horror movie when the kids
go to the slasher. Currently...I do get some senior discounts AND I do
use them.
Haha I've still got my hair (with a bit of grey creeping in) and kept the gut away at 51. ;) The former is thanks to Mum's genes, and the
latter is the result of a lot of hard work! :D
Another 8 and a bit years before I get my seniors card, but I'm sure that
On 03-08-20 20:22, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Funny, the longevity bits seem to come from my mother too. Wavy hair
that seems to last forever. If I had to run by my dads side of the equation, I'd be
bald and getting ready to die.
My relative weight is due to drugs...difficult to put on weight when
you don't eat much.
Another 8 and a bit years before I get my seniors card, but I'm sure that
Still a bit behind you there too.
The same place as my hair (early 80's) & my gut which seems to show m age better than my face. Funny...have had cougar's come up to me atHaha I've still got my hair (with a bit of grey creeping in) and kept
the gut away at 51. ;) The former is thanks to Mum's genes, and the latter is the result of a lot of hard work! :D
go to the slasher. Currently...I do get some senior discounts AND I d use them.Another 8 and a bit years before I get my seniors card, but I'm sure
that will go quick enough.
On 03-08-20 21:15, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Long life is in my genes. Great grandparents died in the late
80's/early 90's. Scares me with the lack of safety net here in the
states for anyone.
Have people comment about the gray in my beard. Let them know the color doesn't bother me...since I still have it to be able to turn gray.
The one thing which warms my heart is to be asked to show my ID. Love
it.
Long life is in my genes. Great grandparents died in the late 80's/early 90's. Scares me with the lack of safety net here in theSeems we have similarities. :)
doesn't bother me...since I still have it to be able to turn gray.True! :)
Most people think I'm around 40 or younger and are rather surprised when they find out the truth. :)
On 03-09-20 16:33, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
He smoked a pipe several times a day. Loved that cherry pipe tobacco.
Was very proud of a pecan tree in the front yard. Did a Google Maps
search & the neighborhood has gone to hell.
The 1 thing I regret is when they passed on...the worst elements of
those of my relatives came out. These 2 kept this BS from happening as
bad as when they were alive.
doesn't bother me...since I still have it to be able to turn gray.True! :)
On the other hand...my beard is the only hair on my body which has
turned gray. May have to eventually head to a beauty shop to get my
chest hair groomed/styled. ;)
Most people think I'm around 40 or younger and are rather surprised when they find out the truth. :)
Now...if you can touch them & drain their youth from them...you would
have a very marketable skill. ;)
Was very proud of a pecan tree in the front yard. Did a Google Maps search & the neighborhood has gone to hell.Bummer about the neighbourhood. :(
those of my relatives came out. These 2 kept this BS from happening a bad as when they were alive.Families can be strange. When someone dies, the vultures come out to play, family are a large proportion, the rest are so-called "friends", especially if there's a lot of money involved.
Beards seem to go grey first, for some reason. I don't know for myself,
Now...if you can touch them & drain their youth from them...you would have a very marketable skill. ;)I can make the young feel really old, just have to race them. :D
On 03-10-20 12:07, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The whole area was almost a ghetto 40 years ago...but in the
90's...this accelerated even faster. Now...wouldn't drive there in daylight.
I have my wishes set up on one of these websites which do this. Believe it's called Wonderful Life or something like that. From having dealt
with these scumbags before...I have specified in the directions that
the police are to be called if any of them come to our memorial
service.
We were talking about this at work the other day. A co-worker joked
that about the only thing they would have to fight about is my scooter. Guess 1 gets a front tire...another gets the rear & on & on. ;)
Beards seem to go grey first, for some reason. I don't know for myself,
Have a beard for a very simple reason...my chin. Got tired of cutting myself shaving...so the beard solved it.
Now...if you can touch them & drain their youth from them...you would have a very marketable skill. ;)I can make the young feel really old, just have to race them. :D
Just remember to strap that Phillips unit on your back when they
collapse behind you to be able to restart their heart. ;)
90's...this accelerated even faster. Now...wouldn't drive there in daylight.Ouch. :(
the police are to be called if any of them come to our memorial service.Ahh, OK. Yeah, that's one way to deal with it. :)
Guess 1 gets a front tire...another gets the rear & on & on. ;)Haha that's an interesting image. :D
Just remember to strap that Phillips unit on your back when they collapse behind you to be able to restart their heart. ;)Haha might have to. :D
On 03-10-20 22:55, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
90's...this accelerated even faster. Now...wouldn't drive there in daylight.Ouch. :(
Many of those there in the past have moved or died over the years.
Have had pastor's tell me funerals usually don't go south...but with people I don't trust or care about...there's no taking any chances.
Even more funny image...think about them fighting over my clothes...especially my underwear. ;)
Just leave enough juice in the box to power the unit...rather than recharge your cell phone. ;)
Given the passage of time, that makes sense.90's...this accelerated even faster. Now...wouldn't drive there daylight.Many of those there in the past have moved or died over the years.
people I don't trust or care about...there's no taking any chances.Yeah I haven't seen it happen at a funeral, just in general elsewhere.
Even more funny image...think about them fighting over my clothes...especially my underwear. ;)Ewwww! :D :P
Anyway, I have the Victorian Masters track and field championships this weekend. We'll see who survives. I had a little niggle last Saturday, but I was already back to full speed by last night, and have just had a massage. Should be fine for the weekend. :)
On 03-11-20 12:40, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
With many of the residents being elderly in the 60's...don't think any
of them were immortals & carried swords around.
Last funeral I accidentally missed happened at a mormon church. The daughter of the deceased threw a massive fit at his new wife claiming
she killed him. Actually...this girl was nothing but a bum who had been thrown out by him & his ex-wife when she tried to move in with her
mother after being kicked out.
Not a chess player...but I do try to see as many moves ahead as
possible. Just see the same thing happening.
Even more funny image...think about them fighting over my clothes...especially my underwear. ;)Ewwww! :D :P
Remember...I didn't say I would have them washed. ;D For these idiots...it's the least I can do for them.
Anyway, I have the Victorian Masters track and field championships this weekend. We'll see who survives. I had a little niggle last Saturday, but I was already back to full speed by last night, and have just had a massage. Should be fine for the weekend. :)
Be careful...especially at your age. My former landlord who I was
talking about in the funeral section died of a massive heart attack at
50. Difference between us & him was he drank & smoked like crazy.
she killed him. Actually...this girl was nothing but a bum who had be thrown out by him & his ex-wife when she tried to move in with her mother after being kicked out.Hmm, now that's drama. :( Here, funerals seem to be rather dignified. :)
I'm more than used to it. There's a lot of 20 year olds who'd struggle with one of my routine training sessions! :D Speed endurance, in particular is very tough. Those are the workouts that leave one unable
to stand up for 5 minutes after the end of the workout. For me, that's
On 03-12-20 08:50, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's what the pastor was telling me...but when they think money is involved...dignified goes out the window.
I'm more than used to it. There's a lot of 20 year olds who'd struggle with one of my routine training sessions! :D Speed endurance, in particular is very tough. Those are the workouts that leave one unable
to stand up for 5 minutes after the end of the workout. For me, that's
Just reading this wears me out.
That's what the pastor was telling me...but when they think money is involved...dignified goes out the window.Yeah, I can imagine that. I've tended to see this happen away from the funeral more often though.
Just reading this wears me out.Haha, well I've got 2 400m events on the weekend - one with hurdles, one without. :)
On 03-12-20 21:00, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Just reading this wears me out.Haha, well I've got 2 400m events on the weekend - one with hurdles, one without. :)
Sounds like both events are giant hurdles. ;)
Anyway, it's all off now, got cancelled due to the coronavirus. :(
Sounds like both events are giant hurdles. ;)Haha anything with "400 metres" in it is a tough event, then add 10 hurdles for extra fun. :D
Anyway, it's all off now, got cancelled due to the coronavirus. :(
On 03-13-20 07:41, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Sounds like both events are giant hurdles. ;)Haha anything with "400 metres" in it is a tough event, then add 10 hurdles for extra fun. :D
Just reading it makes me want to sit down & grab a soda while watching
you do it. The thing we do for our "sports". ;)
Anyway, it's all off now, got cancelled due to the coronavirus. :(
Sorry to hear that...but it's happening all over the world. At least
you won't catch it this weekend.
Just reading it makes me want to sit down & grab a soda while watchin you do it. The thing we do for our "sports". ;)Urk soda - sugar hit. :/
Sorry to hear that...but it's happening all over the world. At least you won't catch it this weekend.I'm not worried about myself, but I would be more concerned about who I might pass it on to.
On 03-14-20 13:33, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Usually only diet around here...except when I've been busting it at work...then a voltage Mountain Dew to give me back some of the energy & keep the blood sugar from dropping too much.
Did a full day yesterday. From many of the people who are now just
going out to look for items (toilet paper & such)...I have no sympathy. Even have less sympathy for those who allowed this to happen by
screwing over everyone else. We definitely need this herd culled...especially in America.
Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-
It's amazing how stable one's blood suger levels are when the sugar is
cut out.
On 03-15-20 08:00, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-
It's amazing how stable one's blood suger levels are when the sugar is
cut out.
One nice thing about doing Atkins back in the day was doing the
induction period - 20g of carbs or less for 2 weeks. Once you get over
the first few days, my mind felt so much clearer, and I ended up not having those mid- afternoon sugar crashes.
carbs, but with an estimated total daily energy expenditure
of 2700+ calories, that stands to reason. Just need to make sure
the majority of carbs are complex carbs. :)
On 03-16-20 13:13, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
carbs, but with an estimated total daily energy expenditure
of 2700+ calories, that stands to reason. Just need to make sure
the majority of carbs are complex carbs. :)
You can go faster on pasta.. :)
keep the blood sugar from dropping too much.It's amazing how stable one's blood suger levels are when the sugar is
cut out. I tend not to have highs and lows. :)
There's some of them here too. I heard one of the local supermarkets has removed their trolleys, which would be a major hassle for us, because we only do the regular shopping once every 2 weeks. The only things we buy in between are things like milk that won't last the 2 weeks.
On 03-15-20 22:04, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
keep the blood sugar from dropping too much.It's amazing how stable one's blood suger levels are when the sugar is
cut out. I tend not to have highs and lows. :)
My mind tells me you are 100% correct...but my body loves it that
caffeine like an alcoholic loves them their booze. Part of the problem
is I get going at work...I bust it until I'm done & lose track of
things.
Went out to get my lens/frames ordered...then went to Target to get a
few things. Thought I was losing my stupid mind at what I saw. Groups
of people were congregating...with it looking like I was the only 1 who was by themselves & getting in/out as quick as possible...which was
normal for me.
Next...needed some fruit & other items to add to my stash until next payday. Couldn't believe the empty shelves of things I never thought people would hoard...but other things like water was in good supply.
After coming home & putting up my frozen food for my breakfast the next
2 weeks...went to the freight damaged grocery story & got 16 cans of canned fruit to get me thru the next couple of days...along with some soda.
Now...will only need 3/4 of a gallon of petrol next week...but have
plenty of everything else I need.
caffeine like an alcoholic loves them their booze. Part of the proble is I get going at work...I bust it until I'm done & lose track of things.Looks like you need rehab. ;)
was by themselves & getting in/out as quick as possible...which was normal for me.I haven't done much shopping of late.
people would hoard...but other things like water was in good supply.I went out to buy some potatos, because we'd simply run out. The greengrocer was quite low on them, but a lot of their other stock was still OK. You could tell they'd sold more than normal, but they weren't running out.
2 weeks...went to the freight damaged grocery story & got 16 cans of canned fruit to get me thru the next couple of days...along with some soda.You are addicted to sugar! :D I used to like canned peaches, but I can't tolerate them anymore. :(
Now...will only need 3/4 of a gallon of petrol next week...but have plenty of everything else I need.Have to do the regular shop on Wednesday. See what the state of things
is like then.
Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Next...needed some fruit & other items to add to my stash until
next payday. Couldn't believe the empty shelves of things I never
thought people would hoard...but other things like water was in
good supply. After coming home & putting up my frozen food for my breakfast the next 2 weeks...went to the freight damaged grocery
story & got 16 cans of canned fruit to get me thru the next
couple of days...along with some soda.
On 03-16-20 11:35, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Looks like you need rehab. ;)
Nah...just free line caffeine...but the line would get in the way.
People think I'm crazy for buying stuff up when I have the money...but now...just have to add a few things I usually eat normally.
Was amazed to see fresh food fully stocked...but the junk stuff was
empty on the shelves. Bought 2 bunches of bananas to give my roommate 1...along with oranges the size of softballs.
Actually try to buy the no sugar added...if available. Kind of hard to
buy as much as I want...so I get whatever I can. Won't die from scurvy
& haven't caught the flu yet...so a little bit of sugar is the price to pay.
Now...will only need 3/4 of a gallon of petrol next week...but have plenty of everything else I need.Have to do the regular shop on Wednesday. See what the state of things
is like then.
Be surprised about nothing!
Nah...just free line caffeine...but the line would get in the way.Haha. :D
People think I'm crazy for buying stuff up when I have the money...bu now...just have to add a few things I usually eat normally.Depends how much you buy.
Cool. So far, looks like the fresh food isn't going to be a problem, which is good.
I don't get the flu generally. Last one I _may_ have got was the swine flu of 2009, but that was trivial for me. Another guy who went to the same gym was off with it for weeks. And no, I've never had the flu
On 03-17-20 00:07, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
See...there's a reason for me to hoard soda...no matter how bad it is
for me. Gotta have my daily fix as soon as I get up.
Love my fresh fruit. Noticed they had quite a bit of potatoes/onions & such...while the junk food was missing from the shelves.
Been getting it for several years. When I was a teacher's aide...used
to get the flu at least twice every year. Now...I eat my fruit everyday
& haven't gotten the flu in several years.
With the shot being free...since I work around people...the company
highly recommends everyone at work gets it.
Survivalists do it...mormons are supposed to do it. I usually try to keep
See what I can get tomorrow.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I just simply cut out the majority of refined sugar. I still do eat carbs, but with an estimated total daily energy expenditure of 2700+ calories, that stands to reason. Just need to make sure the majority
of carbs are complex carbs. :)
On 03-17-20 22:09, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
See what I can get tomorrow.
Good luck... Banana's missing completely, lots of Apples missing too.. You'll want to be the early bird...
On 03-16-20 07:13, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It's the added sugar that horrifies me. When they look at the amount of sugar Americans eat on average, a good portion of that is hidden in processed foods. I'm always amazed that bread could need sugar.
Don't do either of those, but fruit and veg aren't an issue here, except for rather high prices. The hardest things to buy turned out to be
rice and pasta. Even dunny paper was easier to find (of the 5
supermarkets I visited, around half had some TP in stock, none had
rice or dry pasta).
Yeah, some bread does taste rather sweet, but I don't eat a huge amount of bread actually.
See...there's a reason for me to hoard soda...no matter how bad it is for me. Gotta have my daily fix as soon as I get up.Eww, now that's getting disgusting. Give me a good cup of tea (without sugar or any other sweetener) anytime. :)
Been getting it for several years. When I was a teacher's aide...used to get the flu at least twice every year. Now...I eat my fruit everyd & haven't gotten the flu in several years.I don't get the flu, seem to be naturally immune to the regular strains.
It's likely that one day I'll have to get it, and it'll probably be supplied free when I do, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
Survivalists do it...mormons are supposed to do it. I usually try to
Just for a moment there I saw, Survivalists and morons.. :) We've
weren't really due for a refill yet, but got the usual 20Kg bag.. Its a right royal pain in the back to get upstairs too :(
On 03-18-20 15:12, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haven't seen toilet paper for a long time. SWMBO is a cook islander,
so I tend
to get dragged through "cultural" stores too... which isn't all bad,
you may find some of them have stock regular stores don't have. Rice, flour.. taro ;)
On 03-18-20 15:16, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, some bread does taste rather sweet, but I don't eat a huge amount of bread actually.
I don't know how much sugar is in there, but the more refined the flour the sweeter its going to taste as the carbyhydtrates in the mangled
grain hit your saliva and start turning into sugars... and then any
added sugar too
On 03-18-20 18:04, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's the big difference between the States & the rest of the Commonwealth. We developed a taste for coffee (never did like
it)...rather than tea...except for iced.
Personally...I have an iced tea machine where I make 3 qts with 10 tea bags & 2-3 herbal bags (peppermint/spiced). Put 18 bags of Splenda to sweeten it. Problem is I'm lazy...so just drink what gives me more of
an instant jolt.
It was bad knowing that I would get it in the Fall & again in the
Spring. Would be bad enough that it would put me on my back for a day
or so. Problem is here in the States...people can't afford child
care...so they send their kids sick to school so the parents can work. Many times...they had so many teachers calling out that I had to help
with some classes as a sub...since I did have 2 BA degrees...so could
do that.
Part of the problem with working in schools...they don't require the shot...but if you refuse it...they will make you stay home until you
get well.
calories, that stands to reason. Just need to make sure the majority of carbs are complex carbs. :)It's the added sugar that horrifies me. When they look at the amount of sugar Americans eat on average, a good portion of that is hidden in processed foods. I'm always amazed that bread could need sugar.
and pasta. Even dunny paper was easier to find (of the 5 supermarkets I visited, around half had some TP in stock, none had rice or dry pasta).
sweeten it. Problem is I'm lazy...so just drink what gives me more of an instant jolt.I'm not after a jolt. I drink tea and coffee for the taste. :)
Worst I normally get is a seasonal cold in late August/early September. Working in a school for 5 years didn't sinificantly change that pattern.
On 03-18-20 19:01, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
and pasta. Even dunny paper was easier to find (of the 5 supermarkets I visited, around half had some TP in stock, none had rice or dry pasta).
Noticed when I went to a major grocery store this morning after work
that pasta was low on the shelves...but pasta sauce was almost non-existent.
On 03-18-20 19:40, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
sweeten it. Problem is I'm lazy...so just drink what gives me more of an instant jolt.I'm not after a jolt. I drink tea and coffee for the taste. :)
Without the "jolt"...it's hard for me to get going to the level I need
to be without the extra help.
Worst I normally get is a seasonal cold in late August/early September. Working in a school for 5 years didn't sinificantly change that pattern.
That's amazing!
right royal pain in the back to get upstairs too :(
work. As for getting it upstairs...used to live on the 3rd floor & had to
Haven't seen toilet paper for a long time. SWMBO is a cook islander,
Toilet paper is appearing in some places here. A local Aldi had a pallet
But some breads certainly taste sweeter than others.
On 03-19-20 17:11, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haven't seen toilet paper for a long time. SWMBO is a cook islander,
Toilet paper is appearing in some places here. A local Aldi had a pallet
Thats something, we've been in the fortuitous position of SWMBO working
in Aged
Care, so every now and then, a roll or two comes home... to keep the
home fires burning so to speak.
On 03-19-20 17:13, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
But some breads certainly taste sweeter than others.
Either super refined flour, and/or more sugar. The finer the flour the sweeter
the effect.
calories, that stands to reason. Just need to make sure
the majority of carbs are complex carbs. :)
It's the added sugar that horrifies me. When they look at the
amount of sugar Americans eat on average, a good portion of
that is hidden in processed foods. I'm always amazed that bread
could need sugar.
Only use about 2 tsp of sweetener (sugar/Splenda/Agave Syrup) to make bread. Mainly...it's for the yeast to have a meal. Want to make my
bread with a sweeter kick...add raisins & other fruit like this to it.
Problem with American food is the kneepads Congress wears whenever
the corn lobby comes around. High Fructose Corn Syrup is in
everything because the corn lobby has to get something for their
bribes. The big thing in labeling is mentioning your product doesn't
have HFCS in it. Even the soda companies are putting their products
out again with real sugar in retro packaging.
in Aged Care, so every now and then, a roll or two comes home...
to keep the home fires burning so to speak.
Sucrose is not really healthier than HFCS, it has a different taste though. Btw, Agave syrup is a very high fructose syrup.
I managed to find pasta sauce, but not pasta. I considered attempting to remember how I used to make it from scratch using tomato soup and other ingredients. :)
Without the "jolt"...it's hard for me to get going to the level I nee to be without the extra help.I don't need a jolt. I just need a reason to fire up, and all is good. Speaking of which, headed off to training soon. :)
work. As for getting it upstairs...used to live on the 3rd floor & haWhen you've got catastophic back its like 3 miles.. but many hands make the lights work... ;)
Sucrose is not really healthier than HFCS, it has a different taste though.
Btw, Agave syrup is a very high fructose syrup.
On 03-20-20 04:28, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
in Aged Care, so every now and then, a roll or two comes home...
to keep the home fires burning so to speak.
Someone got greedy or innovative... and entire outer of toilet paper dissappeared, along with a heap of Sanitiser. So the goose has been shot... tighter security now. It'd have to be someone that knows the place, but its like they drove in with a van and loaded to goodies and that was it. :/
On 03-19-20 14:56, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I managed to find pasta sauce, but not pasta. I considered attempting to remember how I used to make it from scratch using tomato soup and other ingredients. :)
May I suggest getting online to Betty Crocker...along with other sites.
I get several newsletters from cooking websites...including former talk show host Jenny Jones. Not only that...my printed cookbooks & ton of printed books I got from my former landlord when he passed on...have
tons of recipes.
On 03-19-20 15:04, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Without the "jolt"...it's hard for me to get going to the level I nee to be without the extra help.I don't need a jolt. I just need a reason to fire up, and all is good. Speaking of which, headed off to training soon. :)
Be safe at training.
Without that jolt...I might start feeling "normal" early in the afternoon...rather than early in the morning. Have been known to fall asleep in a chair...just trying to stay awake. If I have to use
stimulants to do it...has to be that way.
Yeah, plenty around, though that's a last ditch option. While I can
cook well enough to live healthy, it's definitely not a passion.
We bought a pellet smoker last year, and since the quarantines have
begun, we've had to settle for what meat products we can find in the store, which is typically like whole chickens, briskets, etc.
Beer can chicken and pizza on the smoker is amazing. I'll send you my recipe for some good old Linhares style beer can chicken. You can even drink "a beer" when it is done, just not "the beer".
On 03-19-20 23:30, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, plenty around, though that's a last ditch option. While I can
cook well enough to live healthy, it's definitely not a passion.
My girlfriend and I love to cook. When we travel to foreign places, we take local cooking classes. For some reason, it suits our
personalities.
We bought a pellet smoker last year, and since the quarantines have
begun, we've had to settle for what meat products we can find in the store, which is typically like whole chickens, briskets, etc.
Turns out we really like the smoker and surviving at the Ryan household has been a bit of fun for us hehe
Sucrose is not really healthier than HFCS, it has a different
taste though.
Know it didn't go thru traditional safety tests by the FDA because
they said it's made from sugar...it's okay.
Btw, Agave syrup is a very high fructose syrup.
Like using Stevia...but the production standards for it are not
consistent. Ended up with the syrup from a former roommate...so
didn't buy it myself. Thought it was more/as natural as sugar.
Without that jolt...I might start feeling "normal" early in the afternoon...rather than early in the morning. Have been known to fallIs that because of poor nutrition, tolerance or some medical factor?
Usually I don't have any sweeteners at home (only if I bake a cake). My preferred alternative to sugar is xylitol, but it's expensive.Sucrose is not really healthier than HFCS, it has a different
taste though.
On 03-20-20 01:58, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Without that jolt...I might start feeling "normal" early in the afternoon...rather than early in the morning. Have been known to fallIs that because of poor nutrition, tolerance or some medical factor?
Comes from working different hours...rather than a set schedule. If I
were to start working a set schedule...it would be different.
We bought a pellet smoker last year, and since the quarantines have begun, we've had to settle for what meat products we can find in the store, which is typically like whole chickens, briskets, etc.
Turns out we really like the smoker and surviving at the Ryan househo has been a bit of fun for us hehe
Comes from working different hours...rather than a set schedule. If I were to start working a set schedule...it would be different.Ahh OK, yeah that's cause a host of other issues too. :/
On 03-20-20 11:45, Embalmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Love my pellet smoker too. Haven't broken it out yet, guess i should
give it a scrub and start smokin ;)
On 03-20-20 14:39, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Comes from working different hours...rather than a set schedule. If I were to start working a set schedule...it would be different.Ahh OK, yeah that's cause a host of other issues too. :/
Welcome to American business.
Ahh OK, yeah that's cause a host of other issues too. :/Yeah, ugly. :/
Welcome to American business.
Whatever that is... lol
On 03-20-20 17:37, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ahh OK, yeah that's cause a host of other issues too. :/Yeah, ugly. :/
Welcome to American business.
Not only that...but they don't have to leave their neighborhoods to be like this. I run across it all the time.
On 03-21-20 12:39, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Whatever that is... lol
Its fer makin' bacon... well not quite, its fer smoking yer fave
meats... tasty
and preserving...
Not only that...but they don't have to leave their neighborhoods to b like this. I run across it all the time.Bummer. :(
I heard yesterday that our banks in Australia, an industry not known for its generosity, and implicated in all sorts of unethical dealings in a recent Royal Commission, are really stepping up to the plate to help the community get through this.
Like using Stevia...but the production standards for it are not consistent. Ended up with the syrup from a former roommate...so
didn't buy it myself. Thought it was more/as natural as sugar.
On 03-21-20 00:09, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Just had a question pop into my mind. Does the government allow credit unions to exist? I've been a member of several for decades. In the
event you may not have something like this...here's the link to my
current credit union:
On 03-20-20 10:49, Spectre wrote to Phoobar <=-
gets confused as to whats going on. Better to try and wean yourself
off sweet tongue as much as possible.
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=pellet+smoker&s=l&qtype=search&ovr=1Whatever that is... lol
Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-
I heard yesterday that our banks in Australia, an industry not known
for its generosity, and implicated in all sorts of unethical dealings
in a recent Royal Commission, are really stepping up to the plate to
help the community get through this.
Vk3jed wrote to Phoobar <=-
Yes, we've had credit unions since as long as I can remember. In the past, there was some risk to your money, if a credit union went belly
up (it happened in the 90s), but these days, credit unions are backed
in a way similar to banks by a guarantee. They can and do offer some attractive products.
Just had a question pop into my mind. Does the government allow credit unions to exist? I've been a member of several for decades. In the
event you may not have something like this...here's the link to my
current credit union:
... SENILE.COM found...Out of Memory...
On 03-21-20 09:35, Embalmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Whatever that is... lolhttps://lmgtfy.com/?q=pellet+smoker&s=l&qtype=search&ovr=1
On 03-21-20 09:11, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, my credit union is backed, and they offer attractive products and services. What's most attractive to me was that they played estremely conservatively with their investments, provided visibility into their financial stability, and didn't have any exposure during the CDO bubble
in the 2000s.
I'm also in USAA, which I figure is a safe bet. Planning on defrauding
US military active service, veterans and family? Good luck surviving
that backlash.
On 03-22-20 11:43, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
... SENILE.COM found...Out of Memory...
Parity Error?
On 03-22-20 11:40, Spectre wrote to Phoobar <=-
They used to, as it stands now they're covered by the same laws as
regular banks. This was enacted after some of our 90's recession and a couple went bust losing millions in the process. Since then they've all but disappeared.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
While I agree, from the context, what exactly is USAA? (we're not all
in the US ;) ).
On 03-21-20 22:27, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
While I agree, from the context, what exactly is USAA? (we're not all
in the US ;) ).
USAA is a credit union that caters to active mililtary, veterans and military families. Easily the most customer-focused banking institution I've ever belonged to.
Stevia is plant based, from memory its a bit like a naturally occuring left handed sugar molecule or some such. SO it looks and behaves a lot like sugar but doesn't break down into sugars...
You know there's some consternation about artificial sweetners adding to diabetes as well. You're used to having sugar... your tongue gets something sweet, your brain says SUGAR! and starts insulin production.
Just had a question pop into my mind. Does the government allow credi unions to exist? I've been a member of several for decades. In theYes, we've had credit unions since as long as I can remember. In the past, there was some risk to your money, if a credit union went belly up (it happened in the 90s), but these days, credit unions are backed in a way similar to banks by a guarantee. They can and do offer some attractive products.
They used to, as it stands now they're covered by the same laws as
regular banks. This was enacted after some of our 90's recession and a couple went bust losing millions in the process. Since then they've all but disappeared.
On 03-22-20 23:39, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On the other hand...I check out any credit union I join (usually they
have several available you can join...especially out here in Oregon)
for their bad loans on the books. Many of them have something like a
4-6% rate...while many banks have much worse than this. Being member owned...pretty easy to find out the information. Plus...the staff is
much nicer & haven't been screwed over as bad as when I was with Wells Fargo many years ago.
They used to, as it stands now they're covered by the samelaws as
regular banks. This was enacted after some of our 90'srecession and a
couple went bust losing millions in the process. Sincethen they've all
but disappeared.
Hate to hear that. Haven't used a bank in 20 years after getting
screwed out of several hundred dollars. Not happened since I joined
decent credit unions.
Police have or had their own credit union, I think the trade unions had something similar in place once. Fire brigade and teachers also had the same.
But the game changer was the big money that was lost through greed and criminal enterprise during the 90's We had the Pyramid Building Society which true to its name turned out to be a Ponzi scheme. That's what
really destroyed credit union, creditibility. No puns intended.
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