From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT), whitetrashhillbilly <allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

hey didn't shorty croak about 20 years ago today?

time flies doesn't it?

He'll still be dead when the sun turns black and every proton in this
universe has evaporated and even the black holes are no more.

Dead is dead. Hang on to life no matter how bad it is or, like Brian,
how bad you *think* it is :)



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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

8th race today at Santa Anita
Double Touch is the longshot bet of the day.
this is the six horse in the lineup.
we are going to the track today to
bet this horse. It belongs to a
relative, along with other horses they
own with a group of people. Unload.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

wait, the horse just got scratched
from today's race. no racing today
for Double Touch, maybe next month.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

Sal and Rube were good friends, both these guys are getting old in age.
They both loved baseball, in fact so much that they had a pact that whoever died first would tell the other one if there was baseball in heaven. Sal
sez i just gotta know if there is baseball in heaven. Then one day Rube passed away. Sal was down in the basement sweeping one night and he hears this voice calling out to him. "Sal", it's Rube. Sal sez what the fuck
do you want? Rub sez guess what? There's baseball in heaven man! Rub
sez that's the good news. Sal sez what's the bad news? The bad news
is that you're pitchin' Tuesday nite.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

hey didn't shorty croak about 20 years ago today?

time flies doesn't it?

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2018/04/27/what-if-christianity-were-true/

this is why Christianity is horseshit
good reading, obvious bad logic.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

George Springer of the Houston Astros
went 6 for 6 last night. That's 6 hits
for 6 at bats. Man that has to feel real
good to do something like that.

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Mon, 7 May 2018 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT), whitetrashhillbilly <allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2018/04/27/what-if-christianity-were-true/

this is why Christianity is horseshit
good reading, obvious bad logic.

It's not good reading.

I don't believe in the literal word of the Bible or of any religious
text by prophet, disciple or adherent. I think we are far too
unimportant in the scheme of things (second rate star, run of the mill
galaxy, location on the outer wing of the galaxy etc) however, what if
the Bible were just a metaphor or series of metaphors or analogies
rather than intended to be taken literally.

This silly article takes the Bible literally rather than on the basis
that it may have been written within the limitations of a far more
primitive time and therefore in generalities and metaphors so as to be meaningfull to more advanced societies in the (then) far future.

It talks about "Jesus said..." and then criticises those so called
statements, yet there is no proof Jesus even existed let alone said
anything, the New Testament is simply a collection of writings about
the man and the time, by biased people with various agendas.

You'd be better of reading Richard Dawkins.

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Mon, 14 May 2018 06:04:36 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 7 May 2018 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT), whitetrashhillbilly <allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2018/04/27/what-if-christianity-were-true/

this is why Christianity is horseshit
good reading, obvious bad logic.

It's not good reading.

I don't believe in the literal word of the Bible or of any religious
text by prophet, disciple or adherent. I think we are far too
unimportant in the scheme of things (second rate star, run of the mill galaxy, location on the outer wing of the galaxy etc) however, what if
the Bible were just a metaphor or series of metaphors or analogies
rather than intended to be taken literally.

This silly article takes the Bible literally rather than on the basis
that it may have been written within the limitations of a far more
primitive time and therefore in generalities and metaphors so as to be meaningfull to more advanced societies in the (then) far future.

It talks about "Jesus said..." and then criticises those so called statements, yet there is no proof Jesus even existed let alone said
anything, the New Testament is simply a collection of writings about
the man and the time, by biased people with various agendas.

You'd be better of reading Richard Dawkins.

### - verily verily, it is easier to piss through the eye of a needle than
for blind-thang to see what's actually happening all around him?? LOL :)))

jc was cool! :D

(ahahaha!)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Mon, 14 May 2018 14:47:06 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 06:04:36 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 7 May 2018 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT), whitetrashhillbilly
<allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2018/04/27/what-if-christianity-were-true/

this is why Christianity is horseshit
good reading, obvious bad logic.

It's not good reading.

I don't believe in the literal word of the Bible or of any religious
text by prophet, disciple or adherent. I think we are far too
unimportant in the scheme of things (second rate star, run of the mill
galaxy, location on the outer wing of the galaxy etc) however, what if
the Bible were just a metaphor or series of metaphors or analogies
rather than intended to be taken literally.

This silly article takes the Bible literally rather than on the basis
that it may have been written within the limitations of a far more
primitive time and therefore in generalities and metaphors so as to be
meaningfull to more advanced societies in the (then) far future.

It talks about "Jesus said..." and then criticises those so called
statements, yet there is no proof Jesus even existed let alone said
anything, the New Testament is simply a collection of writings about
the man and the time, by biased people with various agendas.

You'd be better of reading Richard Dawkins.

### - verily verily, it is easier to piss through the eye of a needle than >for blind-thang to see what's actually happening all around him?? LOL :)))

jc was cool! :D

There's no proof he even existed. How can an imaginary being be
"cool"? On what evidence do you base that?

(ahahaha!)

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Mon, 21 May 2018 04:49:37 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 14:47:06 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 06:04:36 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 7 May 2018 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT), whitetrashhillbilly
<allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2018/04/27/what-if-christianity-were-true/

this is why Christianity is horseshit
good reading, obvious bad logic.

It's not good reading.

I don't believe in the literal word of the Bible or of any religious
text by prophet, disciple or adherent. I think we are far too
unimportant in the scheme of things (second rate star, run of the mill
galaxy, location on the outer wing of the galaxy etc) however, what if
the Bible were just a metaphor or series of metaphors or analogies
rather than intended to be taken literally.

This silly article takes the Bible literally rather than on the basis
that it may have been written within the limitations of a far more
primitive time and therefore in generalities and metaphors so as to be
meaningfull to more advanced societies in the (then) far future.

It talks about "Jesus said..." and then criticises those so called
statements, yet there is no proof Jesus even existed let alone said
anything, the New Testament is simply a collection of writings about
the man and the time, by biased people with various agendas.

You'd be better of reading Richard Dawkins.

### - verily verily, it is easier to piss through the eye of a needle
than
for blind-thang to see what's actually happening all around him?? LOL
:)))

jc was cool! :D

There's no proof he even existed. How can an imaginary being be
"cool"? On what evidence do you base that?

### - (really laffing...) i don't care WHO said it, or whom it's
attributed to!

whoever they were they were... cool :)

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LowRider wrote...

### - (really laffing...) i don't care WHO said it, or whom it's
attributed to!

whoever they were they were... cool :)

Jesus said he would come as a thief in the night.
No one would know the day or the hour of his return.

### - so 'now' i understand what happened to my wallet??

an' been piss-poor ever since, gee thanks lol :)))

"The No One - Key Holder"
My burglar alarm rang at precisely 1:15 AM CST 07-07-79
I was in the painted desert one hours drive to the Grand Canyon.
"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"
I thought he was a demon from the seas of chaos who needed a ride.
The rest is his story.

The Watchtower http://revelwallpapers.net/media/wallpapers/watchtowersky_1366x768.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvVz88IHK4o

I knew the intelligence services were hunting his location worldwide.
I like Jesus, not afraid to turn my back or fall asleep when he's around. Kind of wary of his followers at times, but, better than cannibal headhunters.

### - ahaha... aww he was the good Samaritan, gave a shit! and as such not
such a bad example to follow/emulate, absolutely safe in his company...
turned the other cheek and shit! so defo a lefty then heh... loooong
before lefties were even conceived of! (the first lefty?) and said
'anyone' can do it! be like him! be cool! & forgive the right wing for
being such igno-rant, hurtful bastards for in their ignorance they know
not what they do :)

When The Bullet Hits The Bone - Golden Earring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHFjOCj2Dz0

Twilight Zone
Golden Earring
Somewhere in a lonely hotel room there's a guy
Starting to realize that eternal fate has turned its back on him
It's two A.M.
It's two A.M. (It's two A.M.)
Fear is gone (fear is gone)
I'm sitting here waiting
The Gun still warm (the gun still warm)
Maybe my connection is tired of taking chances
Yeah, there's a storm on the loose
Sirens in my head
Wrapped up in silence, all circuits are dead
Cannot decode, my whole life spins into a frenzy
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being cold
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far? (Oh oh oh)
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being alone
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
I'm fallin' down a spiral, destination unknown
Double crossed messenger, all alone
Can't get no connection, can't get through
Where are you?
Well the night weighs heavy on his guilty mind
This far from the borderline
When the hitman comes
He knows damn well he has been cheated
And he says
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being cold
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far? (Oh oh oh)
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being alone
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being cold
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far? (Oh oh oh)
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being alone
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone

[]

The Second Coming
By William Butler Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

[]

Its all about looping and stitching formulas inward 4321-0 to zero.
Voodoo Child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oRTJNjAzY

It's a dream.

### - ;)

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 6:22:39 AM UTC-4, slider wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2018 04:49:37 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 14:47:06 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 06:04:36 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 7 May 2018 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT), whitetrashhillbilly
<allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2018/04/27/what-if-christianity-were-true/

this is why Christianity is horseshit
good reading, obvious bad logic.

It's not good reading.

I don't believe in the literal word of the Bible or of any religious
text by prophet, disciple or adherent. I think we are far too
unimportant in the scheme of things (second rate star, run of the mill >>> galaxy, location on the outer wing of the galaxy etc) however, what if >>> the Bible were just a metaphor or series of metaphors or analogies
rather than intended to be taken literally.

This silly article takes the Bible literally rather than on the basis
that it may have been written within the limitations of a far more
primitive time and therefore in generalities and metaphors so as to be >>> meaningfull to more advanced societies in the (then) far future.

It talks about "Jesus said..." and then criticises those so called
statements, yet there is no proof Jesus even existed let alone said
anything, the New Testament is simply a collection of writings about
the man and the time, by biased people with various agendas.

You'd be better of reading Richard Dawkins.

### - verily verily, it is easier to piss through the eye of a needle
than
for blind-thang to see what's actually happening all around him?? LOL
:)))

jc was cool! :D

There's no proof he even existed. How can an imaginary being be
"cool"? On what evidence do you base that?

### - (really laffing...) i don't care WHO said it, or whom it's
attributed to!

whoever they were they were... cool :)

Jesus said he would come as a thief in the night.
No one would know the day or the hour of his return.
"The No One - Key Holder"
My burglar alarm rang at precisely 1:15 AM CST 07-07-79
I was in the painted desert one hours drive to the Grand Canyon.
"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"
I thought he was a demon from the seas of chaos who needed a ride.
The rest is his story.

The Watchtower http://revelwallpapers.net/media/wallpapers/watchtowersky_1366x768.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvVz88IHK4o

I knew the intelligence services were hunting his location worldwide.
I like Jesus, not afraid to turn my back or fall asleep when he's around.
Kind of wary of his followers at times, but, better than cannibal headhunters.

When The Bullet Hits The Bone - Golden Earring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHFjOCj2Dz0

Twilight Zone
Golden Earring
Somewhere in a lonely hotel room there's a guy
Starting to realize that eternal fate has turned its back on him
It's two A.M.
It's two A.M. (It's two A.M.)
Fear is gone (fear is gone)
I'm sitting here waiting
The Gun still warm (the gun still warm)
Maybe my connection is tired of taking chances
Yeah, there's a storm on the loose
Sirens in my head
Wrapped up in silence, all circuits are dead
Cannot decode, my whole life spins into a frenzy
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being cold
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far? (Oh oh oh)
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being alone
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
I'm fallin' down a spiral, destination unknown
Double crossed messenger, all alone
Can't get no connection, can't get through
Where are you?
Well the night weighs heavy on his guilty mind
This far from the borderline
When the hitman comes
He knows damn well he has been cheated
And he says
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being cold
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far? (Oh oh oh)
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being alone
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being cold
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far? (Oh oh oh)
Help, I'm steppin' into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse, feels like being alone
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you will come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone
When the bullet hits the bone

[]

The Second Coming
By William Butler Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

[]

Its all about looping and stitching formulas inward 4321-0 to zero.
Voodoo Child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oRTJNjAzY

It's a dream.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Most of the stories about Jesus are myths that acquired legs
and then walked over half the human race. :)

Lowrider: >http://revelwallpapers.net/media/wallpapers/watchtowersky_1366x768.jpg

I've been up in that actual tower a couple of times. No gods in or
around there, but a good look at coupla' billion years of geology.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

ain't gonna be no second coming.
because there was no first coming.

show up first, then we'll talk jesus.

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From: slider@anashram.com

ain't gonna be no second coming.
because there was no first coming.

show up first, then we'll talk jesus.

### - there's been 'lots' of jesus's heh :)

and i don't mean fake ones...

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

### - there's been 'lots' of jesus's heh :)

and i don't mean fake ones...

the true believers need to listen to some
Chrissy Hitchens for awhile. He will set
your beliefs on fire. Up in smoke in just
a few paragraphs. Try him, you'll like it.

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From: slider@anashram.com

### - there's been 'lots' of jesus's heh :)

and i don't mean fake ones...

the true believers need to listen to some
Chrissy Hitchens for awhile. He will set
your beliefs on fire. Up in smoke in just
a few paragraphs. Try him, you'll like it.

### - otoh, 'beliefs & believing' IS the main problem on this planet!

beliefs/make-believes, it's all the same thing!

'not' real ;)

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

### - otoh, 'beliefs & believing' IS the main problem on this planet!

beliefs/make-believes, it's all the same thing!

'not' real ;)

imagine no believing ?
no bullshit to believe.

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From: slider@anashram.com

### - otoh, 'beliefs & believing' IS the main problem on this planet!

beliefs/make-believes, it's all the same thing!

'not' real ;)

imagine no believing ?
no bullshit to believe.

### - you may say i'm a WILDer?

but now am not the only one ;)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 10:33:28 AM UTC-7, waltkowaski wrote:

imagine no believing ?
no bullshit to believe.

Yeah? Do you really *believe* that? And do you get the joke? :)

Belief: "something one accepts as true or real;
a firmly held opinion or conviction."

So, do you accept *nothing* as true or real? And do you have
NO firmly held convictions? Really? :) I don't *believe* you. :)
What about your famous 'sincerity'? Don't you believe it's
best to be sincere? If you do believe that, then... why?

A couple of serious questions: what are good criteria to meet
before accepting something as being true or real? What is an
acceptable or even an ideal basis for holding a belief?
Honest people can disagree over those questions, but I say
the ideal basis for a firm conviction is having a great deal
of strong evidence that the belief is true.

Evidence: "facts or information indicating whether a belief
or proposition is true or valid"

We believe the tenets of Einstein's relativity theories are true
because so far a great deal of evidence has borne them out.
It is still possible they're not completely correct, but so far
all the evidence indicates that they are correct, and therefore
it is fine currently to believe they are true.

But it doesn't have to be deep. For example, I *believe* I have some
home-made granola in a bin on our kitchen counter. I believe that
since I've been eating it for several days and I left it there. :)
Notice that this belief of mine is fairly well-founded and yet
it could be wrong, for someone might have thrown out the rest
or eaten it themselves since last I saw it, unbeknownst to me.
But I do *believe* I have some. :) That is merely normal.

Let's make it even easier.
Do you believe there will be a sunrise tomorrow morning?
Yeah? Why?

And yet... is it POSSIBLE there wouldn't be a sunrise tomorrow?
Yes, it is possible even if it's highly, highly unlikely.
Yet if you were going to plan on doing something tomorrow that
requires daylight, you would be quite justified in believing
that the sun will rise.

You'd be better off having NO beliefs, you think? Really?

Because actually, Chris, you couldn't live without holding
myriad beliefs. You couldn't even function. And yet...
you didn't even seem to be aware of this fact.

It's not 'wrong' to harbor beliefs. Everyone has beliefs by the dozens,
even if they're unaware of it. What is problematic is to harbor
beliefs without having any strong reasons for those beliefs.
To put it bluntly: it is problematic to hold beliefs that are false.

It can also be problematic to hold beliefs that are indeterminate,
where there's no evidence that they're either false or true.
And yet... it's usually not quite as bad a problem to hold
beliefs that are merely "indeterminate".

I say that's shaky turf, and so why bother? Others are fine with it.

But it sucks to hold and profess beliefs that are demonstrably untrue.
Our current President is a CHAMP at holding and professing beliefs
that are demonstrably untrue. And that's idiotic and dangerous.

Well hello there, Nietzsche! My god, your name is hard to spell! :)
Oddly enough, for days now I've been planning to write some on
Nietzsche. I'll get around to it eventually.

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### - hahaha chris, he doesn't get it ;)

no offense jeremy + i'd love to jump in here...

but let matey have a go first at clarifying ok?

am curious to see what he makes of it seeing as, imho & observation, chris
has actually got it completely correct in the way + context HE means it!

i.e., that 'beliefs' are not real!

(else, for example, they'd already be... facts?)

:)

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### - "Superstition is a similar state to belief in which an individual
holds a something to be true"

--google: superstition vs belief

***

Superstition is a pejorative term for any belief or practice that is
considered irrational: for example, if it arises from ignorance, a misunderstanding of science or causality, a positive belief in fate or
magic, or fear of that which is unknown. --wikipedia

i think funny! :)

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Tue, 29 May 2018 21:33:38 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 10:33:28 AM UTC-7, waltkowaski wrote:

imagine no believing ?
no bullshit to believe.

Yeah? Do you really *believe* that? And do you get the joke? :)

### - your completely 'specious' argument is the only joke here currently
lol :))

Belief: "something one accepts as true or real;
a firmly held opinion or conviction."

### - liar! distorter of reality!

that's not the definition of 'belief'??? duh!

noun
noun: belief; plural noun: beliefs

1.
an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
"his belief in extraterrestrial life"
something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion.
"we're prepared to fight for our beliefs"
synonyms: opinion, view, viewpoint, point of view, attitude, stance, stand, standpoint, position, perspective, contention, conviction, judgement, thinking, way of thinking, thought, idea, theory, hypothesis, thesis, interpretation, assumption, presumption, supposition, surmise, postulation, conclusion, deduction, inference, notion, impression, sense, feeling, fancy, hunch
"she clung to the belief that Diane was innocent"
a religious conviction.
"Christian beliefs"
synonyms: ideology, principle, ideal, ethic, conviction; More
doctrine, teaching, dogma, tenet, canon, article of faith,
credence, creed, credo, code of belief
"he opposed traditional religious beliefs"
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).
"a belief in democratic politics"
synonyms: faith, trust, reliance, confidence, credence

iow: you're full of bs jeremy!

and here your cup hath obviously overflowed lol :)

So, do you accept *nothing* as true or real? And do you have
NO firmly held convictions? Really? :) I don't *believe* you. :)
What about your famous 'sincerity'? Don't you believe it's
best to be sincere? If you do believe that, then... why?

### - and you espouse reason & logic? really?? lol :)))

A couple of serious questions: what are good criteria to meet
before accepting something as being true or real?

### - proof of course lol! :D

What is an
acceptable or even an ideal basis for holding a belief?

### - being a gullible lazy fool and 'not' checking shit out properly
perhaps? heh...

Honest people can disagree over those questions, but I say
the ideal basis for a firm conviction is having a great deal
of strong evidence that the belief is true.

### - if a 'belief' was true it would no longer BE a belief! huh! :)

Evidence: "facts or information indicating whether a belief
or proposition is true or valid"

### - i don't need to 'believe' you're an idiot; i KNOW you're an idiot
because it's self-evident! LOL :))

We believe the tenets of Einstein's relativity theories are true
because so far a great deal of evidence has borne them out.

### - WRONG! scientists don't 'believe' anything! even AFTER it's been provisionally proven??

why? because all current understanding IS only provisional else it's would
be dogma!

again duh! :)))

It is still possible they're not completely correct, but so far
all the evidence indicates that they are correct, and therefore
it is fine currently to believe they are true.

### - you don't have to believe anything! one can 'accept' things to be
correct whilst still knowing from experience that it's probably not
correct at all or only partially so!

But it doesn't have to be deep. For example, I *believe* I have some home-made granola in a bin on our kitchen counter. I believe that
since I've been eating it for several days and I left it there. :)

### - childish rubbish! you don't *believe* it's there you KNOW it's
there! (or used to be lol)

Notice that this belief of mine is fairly well-founded and yet
it could be wrong, for someone might have thrown out the rest
or eaten it themselves since last I saw it, unbeknownst to me.
But I do *believe* I have some. :) That is merely normal.

### - you believe in too much hehehe... :)

Let's make it even easier.
Do you believe there will be a sunrise tomorrow morning?
Yeah? Why?

### - 'believing' the sun will rise tomorrow and 'accepting' that the sun
will very likely rise again tomorrow, are 2 completely different fucking things! LOL :)))

And yet... is it POSSIBLE there wouldn't be a sunrise tomorrow?
Yes, it is possible even if it's highly, highly unlikely.
Yet if you were going to plan on doing something tomorrow that
requires daylight, you would be quite justified in believing
that the sun will rise.

### - bs! :D

You'd be better off having NO beliefs, you think? Really?

### - yep! only morons & little children 'believe' in shit jeremy!

adults prefer to think they know hehehe :D

Because actually, Chris, you couldn't live without holding
myriad beliefs. You couldn't even function. And yet...
you didn't even seem to be aware of this fact.

### - so you thought you'd try humiliating the bloke just to give him a
well deserved life-lesson huh?? riiiight...

It's not 'wrong' to harbor beliefs. Everyone has beliefs by the dozens,
even if they're unaware of it. What is problematic is to harbor
beliefs without having any strong reasons for those beliefs.
To put it bluntly: it is problematic to hold beliefs that are false.

### - your whole premise for this is fucked up!

and it starts with your 'invented/deliberately distorted' definition of
the term belief :)

It can also be problematic to hold beliefs that are indeterminate,
where there's no evidence that they're either false or true.
And yet... it's usually not quite as bad a problem to hold
beliefs that are merely "indeterminate".

### - how's about just not harbouring ANY beliefs at all??

I say that's shaky turf, and so why bother? Others are fine with it.

### - well because that's how, 'apparently', so called intelligent peeps
ends up in obviously shaky + ultimately ridiculous/untenable 'cults like
the fucking scientologists? LOL!!!

But it sucks to hold and profess beliefs that are demonstrably untrue.

### - you'd imagine that someone, like you, who's been through sooo much cult-based shit, would eventually come around to realising exactly &
precisely that??

only you're still doing exactly the SAME shit now!

you haven't learned a goddamned thing! nada!

read the 'correct' definition again!

1.
an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

and weep hehehe :D

(what a fuckin' idiot! lol...)

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From: slider@anashram.org

### - "Belief is the state of mind in which a person thinks something to
be the case with or without there being empirical evidence to prove that something is the case with factual certainty."

--Wikipedia

:D

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Wed, 30 May 2018 19:28:25 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 10:41:54 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

how's about just not harbouring ANY beliefs at all??

How incredibly naive. :)
And you claim to be genuinely 'self-aware'? Ha!
If you really *believe* what you just said, you're not. LOL.

### - how's about just 'being here now' and drop all that other crap you
so love, cling to, and are totally addicted to like some kinda societal obsessive/compulsive junky or summat heh :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 10:41:54 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

how's about just not harbouring ANY beliefs at all??

How incredibly naive. :)
And you claim to be genuinely 'self-aware'? Ha!
If you really *believe* what you just said, you're not. LOL.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 11:52:12 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

On Wed, 30 May 2018 19:28:25 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 10:41:54 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

how's about just not harbouring ANY beliefs at all??

How incredibly naive. :)
And you claim to be genuinely 'self-aware'? Ha!
If you really *believe* what you just said, you're not. LOL.

### - how's about just 'being here now' and drop all that other crap you
so love, cling to, and are totally addicted to like some kinda societal obsessive/compulsive junky or summat heh :)

Ah, you appear to *believe* it's good to "just be here now". :)
Yet factually, people often use information from their past and
project hypothetical futures while yet living "now". If you didn't,
you wouldn't even be functional, just as you wouldn't be functional
without the hundreds of little beliefs you are relying on... "now".

Actually, the dictum to "be here now" is a little dumb.
Because no one can ever really BE any other way. :) LOL. It's the
only thing any of us have ever done, and the only way it's even
POSSIBLE to do. You can't be in any time other than NOW.
Can you? It's the only option human beings ever really have. :)

Yet technically, what we always *experience* is just barely in
the past. Once again we have no other option since it always
takes a small amount of time to perceive and process the 'now'.
Therefore, like ol' Genaro said, we're always "one jump behind". :)
And while there is no other option but to live based on the NOW,
our actual experience is to always be slightly behind, forever.
Therefore, it is technically impossible to BE here now, in spite
of the fact that we can do nothing else but that. LOL.

And according to physics, there is not any special status
afforded to "now". "Now" seems to be purely a thing we perceive,
for convenience.

There Is No Now http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2014/06/there-is-no-now/

The present is "a convincing illusion". Or to put it another way
"the present exists because our brain blurs reality".

Excerpts:

"Since no brain is the same, every person will have their own
limits of time perception and their own sphere of now. In fact,
every brain, be it biological or mechanical (light-sensitive
detecting device), has a different processing time and will have
its own sphere of now; each one will have a distinctive perception
of reality."

“Now” is not only a cognitive illusion but also a mathematical
trick, related to how we define space and time quantitatively.
One way of seeing this is to recognize that the notion of
“present,” as sandwiched between past and future, is simply a
useful hoax. After all, if the present is a moment in time
without duration, it can’t exist. What does exist is the
recent memory of the immediate past and the expectation of
the near future."

"How many instants of time are there between zero and one second? Mathematically, there is an infinite number of them, since there
are infinite numbers between zero and one. (You can keep subdividing
intervals into smaller and smaller bits: a tenth of a second,
a hundredth of a second, a thousandth of a second, and so on.)
But even the most accurate clocks have limited precision. We may
represent time continuously, but we measure it in discrete chunks.
As a consequence, the notion of “now,” a time interval of zero
duration, is only a mathematical convenience having nothing to do
with the reality of how we measure time, let alone perceive it."

***

So... "now" doesn't really even exist. Not according to physics. :)
Sorry Slider.

But on average, humans are "on the order of tens of milliseconds"
behind what happens inside "the sphere of their own personal now".
And that's as close as you can ever get to "being here now",
Charlie Brown.

That "be here now" *belief* you just professed is only really
useful if a person is obsessing on with events of the past
or future in an unhealthy way. In that case, it can improve a
person to keep mental focus more in the immediate present.
It's strange to have to work at that when in a way it's the
only way one CAN be, even if it's impossible to ever really
be THERE (in "the now"). :)

But you'll never learn. You just want to "be right" so bad that
you literally spend half your life starting stupid arguments.
It's doubly funny how you want so dearly to prove you're right
about everything since... you so seldom are. :) Hmm. Maybe that's
why you crave it so much: it's the validation you so seldom get.

I wasn't trying to start an argument. I was expressing a point
that I think is genuinely important. Especially in the age of Trump.

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Wed, 30 May 2018 21:04:10 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, the dictum to "be here now" is a little dumb.
Because no one can ever really BE any other way. :) LOL. It's the
only thing any of us have ever done, and the only way it's even
POSSIBLE to do. You can't be in any time other than NOW.
Can you? It's the only option human beings ever really have. :)

### - versus:

It's strange to have to work at that when in a way it's the
only way one CAN be, even if it's impossible to ever really
be THERE (in "the now"). :)

### - but that's the whole point! people have to 'work' at that coz it
doesn't happen naturally/by default!

why? because that's ostensibly the way society IS are rears it's members
to be! as such they're raised to live in relation to a conceptualised
'version' of reality they themselves invented and have evolved over time!

'being here now' refers to UN-LEARNING all that crap, and as a result
acquiring a different perception of the world and of ourselves being alive
in it!

there really IS a separate reality! and the vast majority of human beings
live in it! :)

or more correctly: a separ-ated reality, separated from the 'underlying' reality that all other creatures on this planet retain an awareness of but which we've collectively lost sight of!

truth is... ya know all that crap human beings do that's fucking up the
world?

well, we don't HAVE to do it! :)

we can instead 'desist' and step back from it! (drop out heh...)

we can instead 'perceptually' rejoin the rest of nature

and be as much IN the Now as IT us!

so what'sup with that? :)

(images of a pure white lotus blooming pure white above the cesspit it has
its roots in?)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Mon, 28 May 2018 12:00:40 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
<intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 6:22:39 AM UTC-4, slider wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2018 04:49:37 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 14:47:06 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2018 06:04:36 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 7 May 2018 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT), whitetrashhillbilly
<allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2018/04/27/what-if-christianity-were-true/

this is why Christianity is horseshit
good reading, obvious bad logic.

It's not good reading.

I don't believe in the literal word of the Bible or of any religious
text by prophet, disciple or adherent. I think we are far too
unimportant in the scheme of things (second rate star, run of the mill >> >>> galaxy, location on the outer wing of the galaxy etc) however, what if >> >>> the Bible were just a metaphor or series of metaphors or analogies
rather than intended to be taken literally.

This silly article takes the Bible literally rather than on the basis
that it may have been written within the limitations of a far more
primitive time and therefore in generalities and metaphors so as to be >> >>> meaningfull to more advanced societies in the (then) far future.

It talks about "Jesus said..." and then criticises those so called
statements, yet there is no proof Jesus even existed let alone said
anything, the New Testament is simply a collection of writings about
the man and the time, by biased people with various agendas.

You'd be better of reading Richard Dawkins.

### - verily verily, it is easier to piss through the eye of a needle
than
for blind-thang to see what's actually happening all around him?? LOL
:)))

jc was cool! :D

There's no proof he even existed. How can an imaginary being be
"cool"? On what evidence do you base that?

### - (really laffing...) i don't care WHO said it, or whom it's
attributed to!

whoever they were they were... cool :)

Jesus said he would come as a thief in the night.
No one would know the day or the hour of his return.
"The No One - Key Holder"
My burglar alarm rang at precisely 1:15 AM CST 07-07-79
I was in the painted desert one hours drive to the Grand Canyon.
"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"
I thought he was a demon from the seas of chaos who needed a ride.
The rest is his story.

Crap. What about guatama buddha? What about Mohammed? Our recorded
history stretches back for the really short time of around 5 thousand
years, what about the previous 500,000 years - what prophets, books, civilisations, religions, gods abounded in that half million years?
What about the Egyptian dynasties? 3 thousand years of the same
empire, generation after generation, god after god, Akhenaton and Ra,
Isis and Osiris - what about them and their gods and prophets?

Why just Jesus and his god, or a trinity or whatever that's supposed
to be? Why not the Gnostic apparatus?

And don't quote that Irish poet to me - you may as well look at some
William Blake paintings - he was a man of his time not of the third
millenium CE.

Best you can do for yourself Art is forget all this nonsense about
Jesus and get on with your own life. Or take more really effective
psychedelic drugs :)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Mon, 28 May 2018 17:10:19 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

Most of the stories about Jesus are myths that acquired legs
and then walked over half the human race. :)

Lowrider: >>http://revelwallpapers.net/media/wallpapers/watchtowersky_1366x768.jpg

I've been up in that actual tower a couple of times. No gods in or
around there, but a good look at coupla' billion years of geology.

Yep, gotta agree. You're sometimes, very rarely, a man after my own
ilk.


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