• Re: a theory of schizophrenia

    From everyintention@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, September 21, 2017 18:49:17
    From: allreadydun@gmail.com

    no one is gonna like this but all of us
    are schizos at night when we dream.
    The most far out stuff in the world/universe
    transpires. You have to admit that some
    of your dreams are so out there that you
    are afraid to even tell someone how whacked
    you are in the dream world. "For sure people
    will think i am insane". I better play dumb.
    Schizophrenics do this outloud so to speak
    during the day. It is something like a dream
    coming over them. The only trouble is that
    they believe the dream to really happening.
    Just like in a dream 'it seems real'. When
    you wake up you are glad you aren't that insane.
    I've had some whoppers over the years. The model
    of the assemblage point is a good way to refer to
    what we are talking about only if it was valid.
    I can't say how valid or invalid the model is but
    it does frame alot of material in a simple way you
    can address and understand. You want to know a
    little about the AP shifting/moving talk to a woman
    who has had postpartum depression. They are a little
    schizy while going through this. Not a fun time.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 22, 2017 02:18:10
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    ### - currently, medical science has schizophrenia put down to a
    collection of possible physical causes, these ranging from an inheritable genetic component, to an altered (or faulty) brain structure that somehow gives-rise to a known barrage of uncomfortable symptoms to varying
    degrees...

    the most common of these being the well known visual and emotional
    disturbances leading to mental distress, terror and all the rest of it,
    and that if left untreated can often eventually lead to various forms of
    mental breakdown and/or collapse to add to their miseries due to being literally driven mad when the person involved just can't take it/handle-it
    any more! the only treatment currently, being the application of various
    drugs to suppress the symptoms, many of which create their very own
    problems due to having severe side-effects... but it's all they've got!

    however, 'what if', what schizophrenia 'really' is, is the intrusion, for whatever reason, of a waking dream state that is somehow 'superimposed'
    upon (or runs in tandem with) one's more ordinary perception of reality? somewhat similar perhaps to that guy john (whom i posted about on here
    recently re childhood night terrors extending into adulthood...) who
    often, when going to bed, sometimes began dreaming before he even went to sleep! the 'quality' of these dreams being such that as far as he was
    concerned he was still wide awake and didn't even suspect dreaming had
    anything to do with it! the resulting unearthly 'visions' (and often vivid visitations too!) he experienced, leaving him with no doubt in his mind
    that they were in fact real, perforce terrifying him and the rest of the household too when his resulting screams of terror brought everyone
    running from all directions!

    as a kid they tried everything to help him, of course, but apparently all
    to no avail and it continued on into adulthood... as it only ever occurred
    at night (usually just after bedtime) he somehow learned to live with it
    and just carry on, bedtime was the only real problem + that of actually getting-off to sleep without experiencing something weird, but otherwise
    he was basically ok... the habit of becoming automatically terrified
    whenever it occurred remained with him, however, and even though some of
    the things he occasionally saw weren't particularly frightening or
    threatening, sheer panic would habitually always overtake him whenever he encountered them, whatever they were!

    a situation that continued untreated (and untreatable) until he started learning to... WILD?

    at which point, a probable cause and explanation to his 'night-terrors'
    then began to emerge, revealing the possibility that what he had in fact
    been experiencing all along was an inherent ability to enter very easily
    into a waking dream state! something which had never even been considered!
    so 'easily' could he do it that he didn't ever even know he'd started
    dreaming and perforce took the resulting visions and visitations as being
    real! (e.g., he'd be maybe trying to get comfortable in the bed and off to sleep, open his eyes one time and clearly see something (or someone)
    really fucking weird standing at the foot of his bed! (screams the house
    down hah!)

    it was only when he heard about WILDs (or rather, my suggested method) and
    was trying to do them, that he suddenly realised that he'd likely been 'unwittingly' WILDing all along?? his 'solution' to his night terrors of
    old, simply being to use them as a 'dream-sign' to tell him that he was 'already' lucid dreaming!

    problem resolved! all he had to then do now was to learn to attenuate his by-now ingrained severe emotional reactions to 'seeing' these dream-signs! it'll take time but all in all a very cool solution!

    so, what if schizophrenia happens along similar lines to this? and is, for example, a similar unwelcome intrusion of a waking dream state, one that differs only by dint of the person concerned actually being awake and
    walking around when it occurs! the resulting perceptions/hallucinations
    being virtually indistinguishable from the usual perception of reality
    they suddenly become superimposed upon!

    and in which case, maybe learning to WILD more 'deliberately' may 'also'
    afford some relief from!

    i mean, with the gifts they typically have, these peeps could maybe even
    turn out to be the 'champions' of WILDs if only they could tame it thusly!

    i really think there might be something to this?

    that if WILDing is an ability everyone has in ready reserve to
    deliberately + quite consciously access a waking dream state, then who
    knows how many times, and in oh so many forms, may this ability to
    waking-dream have 'inadvertently' intruded upon us only to be then called
    (and become recognised as being) something else?

    the implication being that hallucinations & visions etc of all sorts, are ultimately a form of a person's imagination running riot and spectacularly intruding upon their normal waking perception in various recognised ways!
    the fact that a schizophrenics typical hallucinations are often of a very threatening and insidious nature, possibly indicating their somehow unconsciously accessing the same (or very similar) frightening waking
    state that many peeps experience while getting sleep paralysis?

    could be! :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 22, 2017 10:14:25
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    everyintention wrote...

    no one is gonna like this but all of us
    are schizos at night when we dream.
    The most far out stuff in the world/universe
    transpires. You have to admit that some
    of your dreams are so out there that you
    are afraid to even tell someone how whacked
    you are in the dream world. "For sure people
    will think i am insane". I better play dumb.
    Schizophrenics do this outloud so to speak
    during the day. It is something like a dream
    coming over them. The only trouble is that
    they believe the dream to really happening.
    Just like in a dream 'it seems real'.

    ### - i agree, having them "out loud" sounds about right... plus it's understandable really that someone would take them as being real 'unless' they'd learned to WILD and thus knew that such a thing could even
    happen/exist? (our friend 'john' never made the connection either, that is until he started learning to WILD - when you 'know' you're doing it it's
    not scary!)


    When
    you wake up you are glad you aren't that insane.
    I've had some whoppers over the years. The model
    of the assemblage point is a good way to refer to
    what we are talking about only if it was valid.
    I can't say how valid or invalid the model is but
    it does frame alot of material in a simple way you
    can address and understand. You want to know a
    little about the AP shifting/moving talk to a woman
    who has had postpartum depression. They are a little
    schizy while going through this. Not a fun time.

    ### - i dunno about 'postpartum depression' but experiencing waking
    nightmares is not unprecedented, in that peeps suffering, for example,
    from delirium-tremens (while withdrawing from alcohol) indeed experience
    them albeit for entirely different reasons, frightening hallucinations of
    a threatening nature becoming superimposed upon their waking reality in
    such a convincing manner that they become terrified...

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