HISTORIANS has thrown doubt on the Ancient Egyptians ever having built the >Great Pyramids of Giza instead claiming the monuments could have been
built by a lost civilisation.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/860673/Ancient-Egypt-Pyramids-Giza-Atlantis-lost-civilisation-Gerry-Cannon
The authors of a forthcoming book investigating the only remaining wonder
of the ancient world throw doubt on conventional thinking that it was the >Ancient Egyptians that built the Pyramids at Giza around 2,500 BC.
Instead Gerry Cannon and Malcolm Hutton claim that the Sphinx in front of
the pyramids must have been carved out of natural rock and long before any >sand covered the area, meaning that at one time, long ago the area must
have been fertile.
Mr Cannon told Express.co.uk: “The Sphinx had to have been carved when >there was no sand there. You can’t carve a rock when it’s under sand.
“When it was not under sand was about 12,000 years ago and the Egyptians >weren’t there.”
This would mean, according to the pair's research, the pyramids and
sphinxes were built at least 12,500 years ago which could have been before >the start of the Ice Age.
Conventional thinking about when the Pyramids of Giza were built date >construction to between 2,560 to 2540 BC, a difference of around 10,000 >years.
The significant time difference would mean that the artefacts were not
built by the Ancient Egyptians, according to Mr Cannon.
Mr Cannon, although not completely convinced, believes it could have been
by the hands of the people of the advanced civilisation of Atlantis that
was ultimately consumed by flooding.
He said: “The theories are, and I can believe them, that there was some >advanced civilisation - and I can’t say they are 100 per cent right - that >came to this planet tens of thousands of years ago.
“I’ve done some research and there’s a direct line from the pyramids to a
submerged continent with a sea mount and on the sea mount there are two >pinnacles that look like pyramids.
“It’s possible, and I don’t say 100 per cent, that it’s Atlantis - when
Atlantis sunk they went to another place, probably Egypt and they had the >technology to build those pyramids. There’s no one else that could have >done it, we don’t have the technology.
“Nobody knows who was there 12,000 years ago. The three smaller pyramids
at Giza probably were built by the Eygptians as they could be built by man >but it’s impossible that the three bigger ones were, simply from the size >of them - they’ve got 2,250,000 blocks in them and each block weighs about >250 tonnes, we couldn’t even move it with all the equipment we have today >so it had to have been done by a civilisation that was more advanced than
any of us.
“The Egyptians couldn’t have done it, they didn’t have the tools.”
However the word of Mr Cannon and others who have raised doubts regarding
the Egyptians building the pyramids have been met with a brick wall by the >Egyptian authorities who maintain the Ancient Egyptians built them.
Mr Cannon said: “The Egyptians have their blinkers on and they won’t even >look at anything else because all their work, all their books, all their >history will be thrown out of the window and they are all against anyone
that says anything different.
“There have been big problems. The Egyptians are adamant they built it.”
### - quote:
“The Egyptians have their blinkers on and they won’t even look at anything >else because all their work, all their books, all their history will be >thrown out of the window and they are all against anyone that says
anything different."
i dunno about 'atlantis' & 'aliens' heh, the very term is so highly
emotive, a legend at best appended/distorted by almost endless chinese >whispers to boot... yet nevertheless potentially bespeaks/hints of a
previous advanced global civiliasation that quite possibly predated our
own by several thousands of years...
the above quote from the text clearly applying to more than just 'this' >subject alone heh, as once peeps get an idea in their head about something
+ become invested heavily in it, it becomes almost virtually impossible to >get them to ever budge off of it again for all the rather obvious reasons!
personally, have always had the feeling there was an earlier advanced
global civilisation
it was just sooo long ago that hardly any trace of it remains?
something like what will probably happen to our civilisation too in time??
that 30,000 years from now (after we've blown ourselves up i mean...) all >signs of OUR civilisation may be equally as scarce and/or misunderstood?
could be! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWphqA1Slrw
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 17:26:19 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
HISTORIANS has thrown doubt on the Ancient Egyptians ever having built
the
Great Pyramids of Giza instead claiming the monuments could have been
built by a lost civilisation.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/860673/Ancient-Egypt-Pyramids-Giza-Atlantis-lost-civilisation-Gerry-Cannon
The authors of a forthcoming book investigating the only remaining
wonder
of the ancient world throw doubt on conventional thinking that it was
the
Ancient Egyptians that built the Pyramids at Giza around 2,500 BC.
Instead Gerry Cannon and Malcolm Hutton claim that the Sphinx in front
of
the pyramids must have been carved out of natural rock and long before
any
sand covered the area, meaning that at one time, long ago the area must
have been fertile.
Mr Cannon told Express.co.uk: “The Sphinx had to have been carved when
there was no sand there. You can’t carve a rock when it’s under sand.
Lol. He told the Express because no reputable news org would listen
to nonsense like this. The Express is not, shall we say, the most
restrained or temperate purveyor of knowledge...
“When it was not under sand was about 12,000 years ago and the Egyptians >> weren’t there.”
This would mean, according to the pair's research, the pyramids and
sphinxes were built at least 12,500 years ago which could have been
before
the start of the Ice Age.
And in which peer reviewed scholarly paper has this "pair's" research
been published?
Conventional thinking about when the Pyramids of Giza were built date
construction to between 2,560 to 2540 BC, a difference of around 10,000
years.
The significant time difference would mean that the artefacts were not
built by the Ancient Egyptians, according to Mr Cannon.
Mr Cannon, although not completely convinced, believes it could have
been
by the hands of the people of the advanced civilisation of Atlantis that
was ultimately consumed by flooding.
He said: “The theories are, and I can believe them, that there was some
advanced civilisation - and I can’t say they are 100 per cent right -
that
came to this planet tens of thousands of years ago.
So the advanced civilisation couldn't arise here, it had to "come to
this planet tens of thousands of years ago" (alien alert boop boop)
Gee. This researcher sounds like he's on the ball...
“I’ve done some research and there’s a direct line from the pyramids to
a
submerged continent with a sea mount and on the sea mount there are two
pinnacles that look like pyramids.
Lol.
“It’s possible, and I don’t say 100 per cent, that it’s Atlantis - when
Atlantis sunk they went to another place, probably Egypt and they had
the
technology to build those pyramids. There’s no one else that could have
done it, we don’t have the technology.
Patent bullshit.
“Nobody knows who was there 12,000 years ago. The three smaller pyramids >> at Giza probably were built by the Eygptians as they could be built by
man
but it’s impossible that the three bigger ones were, simply from the
size
of them - they’ve got 2,250,000 blocks in them and each block weighs
about
250 tonnes, we couldn’t even move it with all the equipment we have
today
so it had to have been done by a civilisation that was more advanced
than
any of us.
“The Egyptians couldn’t have done it, they didn’t have the tools.” >>
However the word of Mr Cannon and others who have raised doubts
regarding
the Egyptians building the pyramids have been met with a brick wall by
the
Egyptian authorities who maintain the Ancient Egyptians built them.
No brick wall. They're probably still fallling about helpless with
laughter.
Mr Cannon said: “The Egyptians have their blinkers on and they won’t
even
look at anything else because all their work, all their books, all their
history will be thrown out of the window and they are all against anyone
that says anything different.
Heh. I've been to the British Museum in London. If it's still laid
out the same way, there are two fucking big Egyptian statues on the
way in (this was 15 years ago). Hard to argue with stolen antiquities
like that...and hard to throw them out the window, too.
“There have been big problems. The Egyptians are adamant they built it.” >>
### - quote:
“The Egyptians have their blinkers on and they won’t even look at
anything
else because all their work, all their books, all their history will be
thrown out of the window and they are all against anyone that says
anything different."
i dunno about 'atlantis' & 'aliens' heh, the very term is so highly
emotive, a legend at best appended/distorted by almost endless chinese
whispers to boot... yet nevertheless potentially bespeaks/hints of a
previous advanced global civiliasation that quite possibly predated our
own by several thousands of years...
the above quote from the text clearly applying to more than just 'this'
subject alone heh, as once peeps get an idea in their head about
something
+ become invested heavily in it, it becomes almost virtually impossible
to
get them to ever budge off of it again for all the rather obvious
reasons!
Slider, it's the fucking EXPRESS! Stop posting this nonsense, ok?
personally, have always had the feeling there was an earlier advanced
global civilisation
Yep. Me too. And way more than one, methinks. Lost in the dust of
age and weather. Possibly going back far more than just hundreds of thousands of years too...
it was just sooo long ago that hardly any trace of it remains?
Yep. Agree. And there are many who agree with this.
something like what will probably happen to our civilisation too in
time??
Well, it looks as though nuclear holocaust is a thing of the past and
the yanks and russkies are collaborating on the first moon base as a
step in getting to mars.
So, if we make it to advanced, homeostatic and autonomous bases on
mars and other planets, planetoids and perhaps the closest planets of
other stars than our sun (say, beta centauri), then our civilisation
(or our species at least) should last indefinitely.
The future is bright. We'll all be dead, but so what?
that 30,000 years from now (after we've blown ourselves up i mean...)
all
signs of OUR civilisation may be equally as scarce and/or misunderstood?
Nope, blowing ourselves up is passé. The prime time for that was the
Cuba Crisis and that's long gone.
could be! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWphqA1Slrw
Here's the correct view on Khufu's pyramid...
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-egypt-shipping-mining-farming-economy-pyramids-180956619/
"Astonishingly, the papyri were written by men who participated in the building of the Great Pyramid, the tomb of the Pharaoh Khufu, the
first and largest of the three colossal pyramids at Giza just outside
modern Cairo. Among the papyri was the journal of a previously unknown official named Merer, who led a crew of some 200 men who traveled from
one end of Egypt to the other picking up and delivering goods of one
kind or another. Merer, who accounted for his time in half-day
increments, mentions stopping at Tura, a town along the Nile famous
for its limestone quarry, filling his boat with stone and taking it up
the Nile River to Giza. In fact, Merer mentions reporting to “the
noble Ankh-haf,” who was known to be the half-brother of the Pharaoh
Khufu and now, for the first time, was definitively identified as
overseeing some of the construction of the Great Pyramid. And since
the pharaohs used the Tura limestone for the pyramids’ outer casing,
and Merer’s journal chronicles the last known year of Khufu’s reign,
the entries provide a never-before-seen snapshot of the ancients
putting finishing touches on the Great Pyramid."
This is an outlet of the Smithsonian Museum which is, shall we say, a
wee bit more reputable than the Express??
When proof or high probability supposition about visiting alien
civilisations appears here, I promise I won't scoff :)
On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 03:19:04 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 17:26:19 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
HISTORIANS has thrown doubt on the Ancient Egyptians ever having builtLol. He told the Express because no reputable news org would listen
the
Great Pyramids of Giza instead claiming the monuments could have been
built by a lost civilisation.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/860673/Ancient-Egypt-Pyramids-Giza-Atlantis-lost-civilisation-Gerry-Cannon
The authors of a forthcoming book investigating the only remaining
wonder
of the ancient world throw doubt on conventional thinking that it was
the
Ancient Egyptians that built the Pyramids at Giza around 2,500 BC.
Instead Gerry Cannon and Malcolm Hutton claim that the Sphinx in front
of
the pyramids must have been carved out of natural rock and long before
any
sand covered the area, meaning that at one time, long ago the area must
have been fertile.
Mr Cannon told Express.co.uk: “The Sphinx had to have been carved when >>> there was no sand there. You can’t carve a rock when it’s under sand. >>
to nonsense like this. The Express is not, shall we say, the most
restrained or temperate purveyor of knowledge...
### - this ISN'T about the express ok?
“When it was not under sand was about 12,000 years ago and the Egyptians >>> weren’t there.”
This would mean, according to the pair's research, the pyramids and
sphinxes were built at least 12,500 years ago which could have been
before
the start of the Ice Age.
And in which peer reviewed scholarly paper has this "pair's" research
been published?
### - who knows, who cares? i didn't pick this article because of anything >scholarly heh (no worries there methinks heh) but because of the parts i >'highlighted?? (e.g., the quote in ref. to methodology, or rather the lack
of it in MORE than one dept. alone!)
Conventional thinking about when the Pyramids of Giza were built date
construction to between 2,560 to 2540 BC, a difference of around 10,000
years.
The significant time difference would mean that the artefacts were not
built by the Ancient Egyptians, according to Mr Cannon.
Mr Cannon, although not completely convinced, believes it could have
been
by the hands of the people of the advanced civilisation of Atlantis that >>> was ultimately consumed by flooding.
He said: “The theories are, and I can believe them, that there was some >>> advanced civilisation - and I can’t say they are 100 per cent right -
that
came to this planet tens of thousands of years ago.
So the advanced civilisation couldn't arise here, it had to "come to
this planet tens of thousands of years ago" (alien alert boop boop)
Gee. This researcher sounds like he's on the ball...
### - exactly + aliens be damned! (they just 'love' the idea of aliens is
all heh, and 'keep' trying to fit it into different things... all that >'chariot of the gods' baloney...)
“I’ve done some research and there’s a direct line from the pyramids to
a
submerged continent with a sea mount and on the sea mount there are two
pinnacles that look like pyramids.
Lol.
“It’s possible, and I don’t say 100 per cent, that it’s Atlantis - when
Atlantis sunk they went to another place, probably Egypt and they had
the
technology to build those pyramids. There’s no one else that could have >>> done it, we don’t have the technology.
Patent bullshit.
### - it's STILL quite a mystery how they got built? with copper chisels??
plus they 'could' conceivably be far older than we thought? (thus built by
an older civilisation with more advanced technology, more advanced than
the egyptians has at their disposal at any rate...)
we'd actually have great difficulty building them today!
“Nobody knows who was there 12,000 years ago. The three smaller pyramids >>> at Giza probably were built by the Eygptians as they could be built by
man
but it’s impossible that the three bigger ones were, simply from the
size
of them - they’ve got 2,250,000 blocks in them and each block weighs
about
250 tonnes, we couldn’t even move it with all the equipment we have
today
so it had to have been done by a civilisation that was more advanced
than
any of us.
“The Egyptians couldn’t have done it, they didn’t have the tools.” >>>
However the word of Mr Cannon and others who have raised doubts
regarding
the Egyptians building the pyramids have been met with a brick wall by
the
Egyptian authorities who maintain the Ancient Egyptians built them.
No brick wall. They're probably still fallling about helpless with
laughter.
### - 'a brick wall' when it comes to accepting that maybe they were built
by a far older civilisation than the egyptians... definitely!
Mr Cannon said: “The Egyptians have their blinkers on and they won’t >>> even
look at anything else because all their work, all their books, all their >>> history will be thrown out of the window and they are all against anyone >>> that says anything different.
Heh. I've been to the British Museum in London. If it's still laid
out the same way, there are two fucking big Egyptian statues on the
way in (this was 15 years ago). Hard to argue with stolen antiquities
like that...and hard to throw them out the window, too.
### - he's merely suggesting that egyptian history would perforce have to
be rewritten if the pyramids were in fact built by some 'other' earlier
lot, the egyptians themselves perhaps only 'appropriating' them without
ever really understanding what they were really all about...
“There have been big problems. The Egyptians are adamant they built it.”
### - quote:
“The Egyptians have their blinkers on and they won’t even look at
anything
else because all their work, all their books, all their history will be
thrown out of the window and they are all against anyone that says
anything different."
i dunno about 'atlantis' & 'aliens' heh, the very term is so highly
emotive, a legend at best appended/distorted by almost endless chinese
whispers to boot... yet nevertheless potentially bespeaks/hints of a
previous advanced global civiliasation that quite possibly predated our
own by several thousands of years...
the above quote from the text clearly applying to more than just 'this'
subject alone heh, as once peeps get an idea in their head about
something
+ become invested heavily in it, it becomes almost virtually impossible
to
get them to ever budge off of it again for all the rather obvious
reasons!
Slider, it's the fucking EXPRESS! Stop posting this nonsense, ok?
### - it's a completely valid point! and i don't 'care' where (or what
in...) it just so happens to be highlighted! it just so happens to be >highlighted here while talking about the egyptians, but it's exactly the
same with us too! - being 'invested' in certain ideas just making it
harder for them/anyone to accept that it 'might' be wrong! - investment >providing another 'reason' for it to be incorrect even it it turned out to
BE correct eventually!
it's NOT nonsense! (the bit about aliens, atlantis & all the rest of it
might be nonsense heh but not the observation itself! which is apparently >part of the human condition!)
personally, have always had the feeling there was an earlier advanced
global civilisation
Yep. Me too. And way more than one, methinks. Lost in the dust of
age and weather. Possibly going back far more than just hundreds of
thousands of years too...
### - there ya go, we're back on the same page again heh... the only >interesting part(s) of the article being the concept that older
civilisations may indeed have existed + the above highlighted quote which >remains valid even when taken out of this particular context...
it was just sooo long ago that hardly any trace of it remains?
Yep. Agree. And there are many who agree with this.
something like what will probably happen to our civilisation too in
time??
Well, it looks as though nuclear holocaust is a thing of the past and
the yanks and russkies are collaborating on the first moon base as a
step in getting to mars.
### - maybe... but also maybe not!
i.e., we appear to be 'walking the line' between these two!
and currently leaning heavily towards destruction!
playing with it! flirting with it! when we 'should' be running like
anything in the opposite direction altogether! (it's like we have some
sorta death wish or summat?? we're currently sailing bloody close to the
wind sport! things are so keyed-up it COULD even happen by accident at
this time!?!)
THAT'S the RISKS we're TAKING! (sheer madness!)
So, if we make it to advanced, homeostatic and autonomous bases on
mars and other planets, planetoids and perhaps the closest planets of
other stars than our sun (say, beta centauri), then our civilisation
(or our species at least) should last indefinitely.
The future is bright. We'll all be dead, but so what?
### - such 'fantasies' are a long, LONG way down the road sport! a fucking >LONG way!
so lol i wouldn't 'assume' anything just yet??
damn it man, we might not even make it through to TOMORROW!
let alone another 300 years?!?
don't be so... complacent!
that 30,000 years from now (after we've blown ourselves up i mean...)
all
signs of OUR civilisation may be equally as scarce and/or misunderstood?
Nope, blowing ourselves up is passé. The prime time for that was the
Cuba Crisis and that's long gone.
### - riiiight... fyi the "prime time" my friend, just so happens to be... >now?
it's never BEEN so tense! (cuban MC was only a rehearsal heh, a dry run...)
and we MIGHT not make it!
currently; a 30% chance of 'conventional' war breaking out??
which, once started, definitely wouldn't 'remain' conventional!
just ONE mistake at this juncture and it's all over pal!
a 'single error' could/might kick it all off!
the world's greatest powers are ALL on standby alert!
ALL of 'em!
plus, i really don't think it's gonna all go back now to how it all was >before???
trumpy seems 'determined' to change the basic order of things!
says: he's gonna DEAL with it! once and for all!
could be! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWphqA1Slrw
Here's the correct view on Khufu's pyramid...
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-egypt-shipping-mining-farming-economy-pyramids-180956619/
"Astonishingly, the papyri were written by men who participated in the
building of the Great Pyramid, the tomb of the Pharaoh Khufu, the
first and largest of the three colossal pyramids at Giza just outside
modern Cairo. Among the papyri was the journal of a previously unknown
official named Merer, who led a crew of some 200 men who traveled from
one end of Egypt to the other picking up and delivering goods of one
kind or another. Merer, who accounted for his time in half-day
increments, mentions stopping at Tura, a town along the Nile famous
for its limestone quarry, filling his boat with stone and taking it up
the Nile River to Giza. In fact, Merer mentions reporting to “the
noble Ankh-haf,” who was known to be the half-brother of the Pharaoh
Khufu and now, for the first time, was definitively identified as
overseeing some of the construction of the Great Pyramid. And since
the pharaohs used the Tura limestone for the pyramids’ outer casing,
and Merer’s journal chronicles the last known year of Khufu’s reign,
the entries provide a never-before-seen snapshot of the ancients
putting finishing touches on the Great Pyramid."
This is an outlet of the Smithsonian Museum which is, shall we say, a
wee bit more reputable than the Express??
When proof or high probability supposition about visiting alien
civilisations appears here, I promise I won't scoff :)
### - (forget the aliens heh) plus that's still not 'proof' that they >actually built them, they may have only been repairing/refitting them for
all we really know...
we merely 'assume' they built them... as do the modern egyptians
themselves :)
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