From: slider@anashram.com

(CNN)President Donald Trump has repeatedly questioned why Americans who
served in Vietnam went to war, according to someone who has heard him make
the remarks.

The President, who received a draft deferment for bone spurs, has
suggested in those conversations that Vietnam veterans didn't know how to exploit the system to get out of serving.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/trump-vietnam-war/index.html

Men between the ages of 18-26 had to serve in the military for 21 months
under the draft unless they were given a deferment. In January 1973, once
the US ended its direct involvement in Vietnam, the US announced it was
going to an all-volunteer army. In 1975, President Gerald Ford signed a proclamation ending the requirement for men to register for the draft.

Trump has also questioned, generally, the point of going to war in Iraq
and Afghanistan, given his belief those wars were ill-advised. The
President has wondered aloud "what did they get out of it?," the same
source told CNN.

The source spoke with CNN following Trump's forceful denial of a story in
The Atlantic magazine Thursday that he had disparaged US service members
killed in battle and chose to skip a ceremony honoring veterans.

The Atlantic specifically reported that Trump didn't want to attend a
ceremony at the Belleau Wood Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in
2018 because he was concerned that the rain would ruin his hair. Trump
said the US Secret Service prevented him from flying to attend the
ceremony due to the weather conditions.

CNN has not independently confirmed the reporting from The Atlantic, which cited unnamed sources.

Trump has adamantly denied that he holds anything but the utmost respect
for American servicemembers.

"To me, they're heroes," he said in the Oval Office Friday. "It's even
hard to believe how they could do it. And I say that, the level of
bravery, and to me, they're absolute heroes."

He called The Atlantic article a "fake story," and he and the White House
have pointed to his increase in military spending and a pay raise for
military troops.

Trump has a complicated history with Vietnam. Along with his medical
deferment for bone spurs, Trump also received four deferments from the
Vietnam War draft due to education.

In an interview in the late 1990s, Trump, known for being a fixture in the
New York tabloids at the time, made light of military service in Vietnam
by comparing it to avoiding sexually transmitted diseases in the New York dating scene.

During the 2016 campaign, Trump attacked Republican Sen. John McCain's
service in the Vietnam War, stating in 2015 that McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese and held as a prisoner of
war.

In a statement Saturday, Rep. Adam Smith, the Democratic chairman of the
House Armed Services Committee, called Trump "incapable of performing the duties of Commander-in-Chief."

"The President claims he loves the military, because it's part of his
political strategy, but when the mics are off and the cameras are no
longer rolling he has shown his true colors," Smith said. "He has no
respect for our military; he views our service members as window dressing
for his cosplay of the American presidency."

### - and so the 'truth' always emerges over time then huh?

and because implicit in his words is the fact that he quite deliberately weaseled outta the draft by any number of 5 ways; that if you're wealthy
you can get outta things that ordinary, less smart, people can manage to
do because: "Vietnam veterans didn't know how to exploit the system to get
out of serving." thus making them all losers!

he though apparently 'did' know how to do just that; a few faked medical evidences probably bought & paid for by his dad and then he didn't have to
risk his life or limb for his country... the avoidance of which, according
to someone as-smart as him, was only akin/equated-to having enough smarts
to avoid a sexual disease??

sheesh! :)))

in-light of the growing public uproar/outrage over all this, one thing we
DO then know for sure is, that if he DOES win the election then it really
WAS rigged LOL !

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

in-light of the growing public uproar/outrage over all this, one thing we
DO then know for sure is, that if he DOES win the election then it really
WAS rigged LOL !

everythking is rigged.
nothing happens by 'accident'.
he is a true putz, no doubt about it.
Biden? equal pitz too. they all suck.

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From: slider@anashram.com

in-light of the growing public uproar/outrage over all this, one thing
we
DO then know for sure is, that if he DOES win the election then it
really
WAS rigged LOL !

everythking is rigged.
nothing happens by 'accident'.
he is a true putz, no doubt about it.
Biden? equal pitz too. they all suck.

### - indeed they do, and are only barely educated enough in terms of
what's actually best for the planet, but in this instance pitz is still fractionally better than putz, safer ;)

that when it's down to a choice between say hitler & gandhi it's gots to
be gandhi every time?

that the lesser of 2 evils etc is the only intelligent move, something
they don't even teach us about in school unless you're doing an advanced degree, hence the mass ignorance...

(side note: they gots-rid of this crappy system altogether in s.africa (no
more left or right!) and ultimately that's what we prolly gots to do too eventually, but not before the whole thing comes to a head just as it did
there as it always takes an upheaval to change anything on planet
wallyworld... best case scenario then is pitz walkin' it and them
remaining in office for say the next 20 or 30 years because they at least
'try' to deal with everyone more fairly/equally, and because anything less
has always been a disaster historically speaking...)

no doubt am gonna get some serious flak/gaslighing for this from our
resident nutjob haha, cue 56 anti-slider posts so umbrella UP! waders ON!
:)))

that's just the way it is, in wallyworld...

and that for all their 'science' it's still kinda primitive here innit eh?

perforce that's not how they see themselves tho' huh...

this movie is like the adult version of logans run, micky rourke is the 'outsider' talking to his little bro, little bro doesn't understand though
even when their dad (in the bar) explains it to him, he's confused...

this is that same bar scene near the end, see this short scene first and
then the whole movie makes far more sense...

https://youtu.be/dzQ2EbgO0xk?t=3797

good movie! classic! and was obviously written by someone who was awake as
it bears the mark ;)

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Trump Honors Veterans


Trump honors war dead with his heart and wallet


The Vietnam Veterans Plaza in New York City honors the 1,741 New Yorkers who died in Vietnam, as well as 250,000 New Yorkers who served during that war. When Mayor Ed Koch needed someone to raise the money to build it in 1983, he called on Donald John
Trump.

Trump raised the money the old-fashioned way, by writing the first check. He donated a million bucks, which was 40% of the $2.5 million needed.

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2020/09/trump-honors-war-dead-with-his-heart.html

Thomas Lipscomb wrote about it in USA Today on April 14, 2017. He was the founder and president of Times Books – then The New York Times book division.

He wrote, "The New York Vietnam Veterans’ Leadership Program, run by a brilliant former infantry platoon leader, Eugene Gitelson, was able to take the
money Trump contributed and helped raise through the Commission to create the largest program in the
country. Gitelson’s VVLP, as the Commission’s Living Memorial, trained veterans first to become job ready, and then find jobs. He and his staff helped
place thousands of them.

"And to top it all off, at the dedication of the Commission’s New York Vietnam Memorial in May of 1985, the 'heroes’ welcome' the New York Times noted had not occurred at the sparsely attended parade in Washington actually happened.

"Streaming across the Brooklyn Bridge and down Broadway came tens of thousands of Vietnam veterans, often marching in their units. Americal Division, 101st Airborne, 1st and 3rd Marine Divisions, Special Forces, to name just a few, often under one of
their old commanding officers, flags flying, headed by Mayor Koch himself pushing a wheelchair for John Behan, a Medal of Honor winner who had lost both legs to a landmine.


"And close behind him, General William Westmoreland, their former commander in Vietnam, marching along with them and another 18 Medal of Honor winners for the
largest parade of participants in the history of New York City.

"They marched to the lower tip of Manhattan island as tons of tickertape and paper turned the skies above them a blizzard of white as the crowds packing the
sidewalks roared its welcome.

"As The Los Angeles Times headlined it: 'New York's Biggest March — 10 Years Late: Vietnam Veterans Get Their Parade at Last.'

"But neither The New York Times nor The Los Angeles Times stories ever mentioned the name or involvement of the supposed self-promoter Donald Trump.


"It never would have happened without him. And that was 32 years ago."

But wait. There's more.

As Lipscomb pointed out, when President Trump skipped the second Fox News debate to spite Megyn Kelly, he held a competing fund-raiser on debate night --
for veterans groups. I don't know much about politics, but I do know that candidates hold fund-
raisers for themselves, not others.

Donald Trump in 2016 was not a politician.

He raised $6 million. The press mocked him because he included his own contribution of $1 million in the total.

But wait. There's more.

A decade after the Welcome Home Parade for Vietnam veterans, New Yorkers went back to ignoring veterans again.

Tom Fox was head of the 1995 Veterans Day parade. He was ready to bag the whole
thing due to lack of funding.

He told United Press International, "Donald Trump saved the parade. We had asked for donations from 200 corporations, and none of them came through."


The Donald did. He raised the $500,000 they needed for security and the like. $200,000 came from his own pocket.

It was worth every penny.

The UPI story said, "More than 500,000 people jammed the sidewalks of Manhattan's Fifth Avenue Saturday to watch three generations of veterans march in the Nation's Parade.

"The crowd cheered as 25,000 veterans marched in one of the last national events marking the 50th anniversary of the end of World War II. The mood of the
parade was festive despite the blustery weather, with marching veterans smiling
and onlookers
shouting 'Thank you.' '

"It's just a great day to see all the people here to honor our veterans,' said Paul Bucha, a 52-year-old Vietnam War veteran and winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor. 'For too many years this day was ignored by too many people, but now we have it
back in perspective,' he said shortly after a 21-gun salute rattled the windows
of Manhattan apartment buildings.

"'I think in the future Veteran's Day will be bigger and bigger.' 'I feel good;
this is a great day,' said 109-year-old Herbert Young, a World War I veteran who participated in the parade. Freida Schwartz, who stood in the first row of the crowd packed
five and six deep, was among those who tossed roses in the path of the 82nd Airborne.


"Her son, David, died shortly after the D-Day invasion of Normandy on June 6, 1944. 'My son was in the 82nd Airborne, and I wanted to throw these flowers to them,' said the 82-year-old Brooklyn woman. 'I want to let the survivors know we care. This is in
memory of my son.'"

Last year, CNBC reported, "Trump becomes first sitting president to attend New York’s Veterans Day Parade."

Why not?

He saved it.

And he saved it because he knows our nation too often sends men (and now women)
to war only to forget about them later.

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