• MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell Calls Senate "Anti-Democratic". Then Mark Le

    From Ubiquitous@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, February 06, 2020 21:05:02
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    From: weberm@polaris.net

    On LevinTV Tuesday, conservative talk radio show host Mark Levin wiped
    the floor with Lawrence O'Donnell after the liberal MSNBC hack called
    the United States Senate an "anti-democratic" institution.

    Republicanism vs Democracy

    The Framers didn't create a "democracy" - they were afraid
    of creating one

    Nobody knows the Constitution like Mark:
    https://t.co/ICZsTSMn7z pic.twitter.com/Zsp5H0Ysok
    — LevinTV (@LevinTV) February 4, 2020

    Progressives consider it one of the worst insults they can throw at
    someone (or an entire institution): calling them "anti-democratic." You
    see, when they say "anti-democratic," they actually mean
    "authoritarian" or even "fascist."

    Just to rub it in, O'Donnell went on to call the Senate "American
    democracy's most structural flaw."

    Sadly for O'Donnell and his fellow radical leftists, however, America
    is not now and has never been a democracy. It's a constitutional
    republic. The Founding Fathers made that choice very deliberately
    because they understood that real, full democracy is actually extremely dangerous.

    As Levin explained on his show, the Senate was actually meant to
    protect the interests of the individual states. "The 17th amendment"
    was, Levin explained, a "disaster." Back in the day, if an attorney
    general from a state took a specific position, the state's senator
    would follow suit in the Senate (which would've shot down ObamaCare).
    Now, however, senators can do as they darn well please. This
    "democratization" has severely weakened the American system.

    "They wanted to set up a government," Levin said about the Founding
    Fathers, "that would protect us from tyranny; from as many forms as
    tyranny as they could think of. Whether it was centralized
    monarchical-type tyranny or it's one branch overpowering another
    branch, but they certainly didn't support democracy, little 'd'
    democracy. They weren't populists. They weren't democrats. They were constitutionalists. There is a huge difference."

    One of the main reasons that the framers were less than positive about democracy as such was the French Revolution. For ten years, the French revolutionaries were slaughtering each other. It started with the king
    and his queen, but over time, just about everybody was fair game if
    they were deemed to stand in the way of "the people."

    America's Founding Fathers wanted to protect their people from a
    similar fate in which the majority oppressed and even murdered the
    minority.

    Next, Levin drew attention to the Declaration of Independence. "What
    does the Declaration stand for?" he asked rhetorically. "Democracy?"
    No. "Unalienable rights. How do we protect your God-given natural
    rights: to life, to liberty, to private property, to defend yourself.
    How do we protect that?"

    That was the framers' guiding question, and it's why they eventually
    devised a system with an independent judiciary, a Senate formed by the
    states, a House of Representatives directly elected by the people, and
    a president who was to be the executive.

    As Levin went on to say, "you don't protect [those unalienable rights]
    by pure democracy." In a "democracy," 51% of the people can vote to
    kill the other 49% just because they dare hold different political
    views -- which is basically what happened in France, by the way. The
    framers wanted to prevent that from happening... and knew that this is
    where pure democracy can lead to. This is why they designed the system
    the way they did.

    O'Donnell doesn't care about any of that, however. Why? As Levin put
    it, "this guy is a diabolical idiot."

    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From David Hartung@1:229/2 to Ubiquitous on Friday, February 07, 2020 06:18:46
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    From: d_hartung@hotmaol.com

    On 2/6/20 7:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On LevinTV Tuesday, conservative talk radio show host Mark Levin wiped
    the floor with Lawrence O'Donnell after the liberal MSNBC hack called
    the United States Senate an "anti-democratic" institution.

    Republicanism vs Democracy

    The Framers didn't create a "democracy" - they were afraid
    of creating one

    Nobody knows the Constitution like Mark:
    https://t.co/ICZsTSMn7z pic.twitter.com/Zsp5H0Ysok
    — LevinTV (@LevinTV) February 4, 2020

    Progressives consider it one of the worst insults they can throw at
    someone (or an entire institution): calling them "anti-democratic." You
    see, when they say "anti-democratic," they actually mean
    "authoritarian" or even "fascist."

    Just to rub it in, O'Donnell went on to call the Senate "American
    democracy's most structural flaw."

    Sadly for O'Donnell and his fellow radical leftists, however, America
    is not now and has never been a democracy. It's a constitutional
    republic. The Founding Fathers made that choice very deliberately
    because they understood that real, full democracy is actually extremely dangerous.

    As Levin explained on his show, the Senate was actually meant to
    protect the interests of the individual states. "The 17th amendment"
    was, Levin explained, a "disaster." Back in the day, if an attorney
    general from a state took a specific position, the state's senator
    would follow suit in the Senate (which would've shot down ObamaCare).
    Now, however, senators can do as they darn well please. This "democratization" has severely weakened the American system.

    "They wanted to set up a government," Levin said about the Founding
    Fathers, "that would protect us from tyranny; from as many forms as
    tyranny as they could think of. Whether it was centralized
    monarchical-type tyranny or it's one branch overpowering another
    branch, but they certainly didn't support democracy, little 'd'
    democracy. They weren't populists. They weren't democrats. They were constitutionalists. There is a huge difference."

    One of the main reasons that the framers were less than positive about democracy as such was the French Revolution. For ten years, the French revolutionaries were slaughtering each other. It started with the king
    and his queen, but over time, just about everybody was fair game if
    they were deemed to stand in the way of "the people."

    America's Founding Fathers wanted to protect their people from a
    similar fate in which the majority oppressed and even murdered the
    minority.

    Next, Levin drew attention to the Declaration of Independence. "What
    does the Declaration stand for?" he asked rhetorically. "Democracy?"
    No. "Unalienable rights. How do we protect your God-given natural
    rights: to life, to liberty, to private property, to defend yourself.
    How do we protect that?"

    That was the framers' guiding question, and it's why they eventually
    devised a system with an independent judiciary, a Senate formed by the states, a House of Representatives directly elected by the people, and
    a president who was to be the executive.

    As Levin went on to say, "you don't protect [those unalienable rights]
    by pure democracy." In a "democracy," 51% of the people can vote to
    kill the other 49% just because they dare hold different political
    views -- which is basically what happened in France, by the way. The
    framers wanted to prevent that from happening... and knew that this is
    where pure democracy can lead to. This is why they designed the system
    the way they did.

    O'Donnell doesn't care about any of that, however. Why? As Levin put
    it, "this guy is a diabolical idiot."

    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.

    Levine is absolutely correct, which brings us back to the question of
    why do so many people insist that the USA is a democracy?

    The constitution as ratified mandated a republican form of government
    for the states, and of the three equal branches of government, only had
    one with any democratic characteristics at all, and that one was the
    Congress, and only one house of the congress at that. Even after we
    moved to the direct election of the Senate, we did not have, and
    hopefully never will have a democratic Federal government.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rudy Canoza@1:229/2 to David Hartung on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 08:28:31
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    From: cap@philhendrie.con

    On 2/7/2020 4:18 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 2/6/20 7:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On LevinTV Tuesday, conservative talk radio show host Mark Levin wiped
    the floor with Lawrence O'Donnell after the liberal MSNBC hack called
    the United States Senate an "anti-democratic" institution.

        Republicanism vs Democracy

        The Framers didn't create a "democracy" - they were afraid
        of creating one

        Nobody knows the Constitution like Mark:
        https://t.co/ICZsTSMn7z pic.twitter.com/Zsp5H0Ysok
        — LevinTV (@LevinTV) February 4, 2020

    Progressives consider it one of the worst insults they can throw at
    someone (or an entire institution): calling them "anti-democratic." You
    see, when they say "anti-democratic," they actually mean
    "authoritarian" or even "fascist."

    Just to rub it in, O'Donnell went on to call the Senate "American
    democracy's most structural flaw."

    Sadly for O'Donnell and his fellow radical leftists, however, America
    is not now and has never been a democracy. It's a constitutional
    republic. The Founding Fathers made that choice very deliberately
    because they understood that real, full democracy is actually extremely
    dangerous.

    As Levin explained on his show, the Senate was actually meant to
    protect the interests of the individual states. "The 17th amendment"
    was, Levin explained, a "disaster." Back in the day, if an attorney
    general from a state took a specific position, the state's senator
    would follow suit in the Senate (which would've shot down ObamaCare).
    Now, however, senators can do as they darn well please. This
    "democratization" has severely weakened the American system.

    "They wanted to set up a government," Levin said about the Founding
    Fathers, "that would protect us from tyranny; from as many forms as
    tyranny as they could think of. Whether it was centralized
    monarchical-type tyranny or it's one branch overpowering another
    branch, but they certainly didn't support democracy, little 'd'
    democracy. They weren't populists. They weren't democrats. They were
    constitutionalists. There is a huge difference."

    One of the main reasons that the framers were less than positive about
    democracy as such was the French Revolution. For ten years, the French
    revolutionaries were slaughtering each other. It started with the king
    and his queen, but over time, just about everybody was fair game if
    they were deemed to stand in the way of "the people."

    America's Founding Fathers wanted to protect their people from a
    similar fate in which the majority oppressed and even murdered the
    minority.

    Next, Levin drew attention to the Declaration of Independence. "What
    does the Declaration stand for?" he asked rhetorically. "Democracy?"
    No. "Unalienable rights. How do we protect your God-given natural
    rights: to life, to liberty, to private property, to defend yourself.
    How do we protect that?"

    That was the framers' guiding question, and it's why they eventually
    devised a system with an independent judiciary, a Senate formed by the
    states, a House of Representatives directly elected by the people, and
    a president who was to be the executive.

    As Levin went on to say, "you don't protect [those unalienable rights]
    by pure democracy." In a "democracy," 51% of the people can vote to
    kill the other 49% just because they dare hold different political
    views -- which is basically what happened in France, by the way. The
    framers wanted to prevent that from happening... and knew that this is
    where pure democracy can lead to. This is why they designed the system
    the way they did.

    O'Donnell doesn't care about any of that, however. Why? As Levin put
    it, "this guy is a diabolical idiot."

    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.

    Levine is absolutely

    Wrong.

    which brings us back to the question of why
    do so many people insist that the USA is a democracy?

    Because it *is* one, as the founders plainly called it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From David Hartung@1:229/2 to Rudy Canoza on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 11:10:05
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    From: d_hartung@hotmaol.com

    On 2/11/20 10:28 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 2/7/2020 4:18 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 2/6/20 7:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On LevinTV Tuesday, conservative talk radio show host Mark Levin wiped
    the floor with Lawrence O'Donnell after the liberal MSNBC hack called
    the United States Senate an "anti-democratic" institution.

        Republicanism vs Democracy

        The Framers didn't create a "democracy" - they were afraid
        of creating one

        Nobody knows the Constitution like Mark:
        https://t.co/ICZsTSMn7z pic.twitter.com/Zsp5H0Ysok
        — LevinTV (@LevinTV) February 4, 2020

    Progressives consider it one of the worst insults they can throw at
    someone (or an entire institution): calling them "anti-democratic." You
    see, when they say "anti-democratic," they actually mean
    "authoritarian" or even "fascist."

    Just to rub it in, O'Donnell went on to call the Senate "American
    democracy's most structural flaw."

    Sadly for O'Donnell and his fellow radical leftists, however, America
    is not now and has never been a democracy. It's a constitutional
    republic. The Founding Fathers made that choice very deliberately
    because they understood that real, full democracy is actually extremely
    dangerous.

    As Levin explained on his show, the Senate was actually meant to
    protect the interests of the individual states. "The 17th amendment"
    was, Levin explained, a "disaster." Back in the day, if an attorney
    general from a state took a specific position, the state's senator
    would follow suit in the Senate (which would've shot down ObamaCare).
    Now, however, senators can do as they darn well please. This
    "democratization" has severely weakened the American system.

    "They wanted to set up a government," Levin said about the Founding
    Fathers, "that would protect us from tyranny; from as many forms as
    tyranny as they could think of. Whether it was centralized
    monarchical-type tyranny or it's one branch overpowering another
    branch, but they certainly didn't support democracy, little 'd'
    democracy. They weren't populists. They weren't democrats. They were
    constitutionalists. There is a huge difference."

    One of the main reasons that the framers were less than positive about
    democracy as such was the French Revolution. For ten years, the French
    revolutionaries were slaughtering each other. It started with the king
    and his queen, but over time, just about everybody was fair game if
    they were deemed to stand in the way of "the people."

    America's Founding Fathers wanted to protect their people from a
    similar fate in which the majority oppressed and even murdered the
    minority.

    Next, Levin drew attention to the Declaration of Independence. "What
    does the Declaration stand for?" he asked rhetorically. "Democracy?"
    No. "Unalienable rights. How do we protect your God-given natural
    rights: to life, to liberty, to private property, to defend yourself.
    How do we protect that?"

    That was the framers' guiding question, and it's why they eventually
    devised a system with an independent judiciary, a Senate formed by the
    states, a House of Representatives directly elected by the people, and
    a president who was to be the executive.

    As Levin went on to say, "you don't protect [those unalienable rights]
    by pure democracy." In a "democracy," 51% of the people can vote to
    kill the other 49% just because they dare hold different political
    views -- which is basically what happened in France, by the way. The
    framers wanted to prevent that from happening... and knew that this is
    where pure democracy can lead to. This is why they designed the system
    the way they did.

    O'Donnell doesn't care about any of that, however. Why? As Levin put
    it, "this guy is a diabolical idiot."

    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.

    Levine is absolutely

    Wrong.

    which brings us back to the question of why do so many people insist
    that the USA is a democracy?

    Because it *is* one, as the founders plainly called it.

    You never learn.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Rudy Canoza@1:229/2 to David Hartung on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 09:19:07
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    From: cap@philhendrie.con

    On 2/11/2020 9:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 2/11/20 10:28 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 2/7/2020 4:18 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 2/6/20 7:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
    On LevinTV Tuesday, conservative talk radio show host Mark Levin wiped >>>> the floor with Lawrence O'Donnell after the liberal MSNBC hack called
    the United States Senate an "anti-democratic" institution.

        Republicanism vs Democracy

        The Framers didn't create a "democracy" - they were afraid
        of creating one

        Nobody knows the Constitution like Mark:
        https://t.co/ICZsTSMn7z pic.twitter.com/Zsp5H0Ysok
        — LevinTV (@LevinTV) February 4, 2020

    Progressives consider it one of the worst insults they can throw at
    someone (or an entire institution): calling them "anti-democratic." You >>>> see, when they say "anti-democratic," they actually mean
    "authoritarian" or even "fascist."

    Just to rub it in, O'Donnell went on to call the Senate "American
    democracy's most structural flaw."

    Sadly for O'Donnell and his fellow radical leftists, however, America
    is not now and has never been a democracy. It's a constitutional
    republic. The Founding Fathers made that choice very deliberately
    because they understood that real, full democracy is actually extremely >>>> dangerous.

    As Levin explained on his show, the Senate was actually meant to
    protect the interests of the individual states. "The 17th amendment"
    was, Levin explained, a "disaster." Back in the day, if an attorney
    general from a state took a specific position, the state's senator
    would follow suit in the Senate (which would've shot down ObamaCare).
    Now, however, senators can do as they darn well please. This
    "democratization" has severely weakened the American system.

    "They wanted to set up a government," Levin said about the Founding
    Fathers, "that would protect us from tyranny; from as many forms as
    tyranny as they could think of. Whether it was centralized
    monarchical-type tyranny or it's one branch overpowering another
    branch, but they certainly didn't support democracy, little 'd'
    democracy. They weren't populists. They weren't democrats. They were
    constitutionalists. There is a huge difference."

    One of the main reasons that the framers were less than positive about >>>> democracy as such was the French Revolution. For ten years, the French >>>> revolutionaries were slaughtering each other. It started with the king >>>> and his queen, but over time, just about everybody was fair game if
    they were deemed to stand in the way of "the people."

    America's Founding Fathers wanted to protect their people from a
    similar fate in which the majority oppressed and even murdered the
    minority.

    Next, Levin drew attention to the Declaration of Independence. "What
    does the Declaration stand for?" he asked rhetorically. "Democracy?"
    No. "Unalienable rights. How do we protect your God-given natural
    rights: to life, to liberty, to private property, to defend yourself.
    How do we protect that?"

    That was the framers' guiding question, and it's why they eventually
    devised a system with an independent judiciary, a Senate formed by the >>>> states, a House of Representatives directly elected by the people, and >>>> a president who was to be the executive.

    As Levin went on to say, "you don't protect [those unalienable rights] >>>> by pure democracy." In a "democracy," 51% of the people can vote to
    kill the other 49% just because they dare hold different political
    views -- which is basically what happened in France, by the way. The
    framers wanted to prevent that from happening... and knew that this is >>>> where pure democracy can lead to. This is why they designed the system >>>> the way they did.

    O'Donnell doesn't care about any of that, however. Why? As Levin put
    it, "this guy is a diabolical idiot."

    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.

    Levine is absolutely

    Wrong.

    which brings us back to the question of why do so many people insist
    that the USA is a democracy?

    Because it *is* one, as the founders plainly called it.

    You never learn.

    You are the one who never learns. The U.S. is a democracy as *all*
    educated persons, including the founders, use the word.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)